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Thierry Boulanger, the main director and writer of The Messenger, has provided small pieces of lore in the official Discord server. This is a compilation of important lore tidbits not explicitly mentioned within the game itself.

October 19, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil So like when Ruxxtin and Ruxxtin's Staff talk with each other, does Ruxxtin just call him staff, or like Bob, or.
Spiderbenb Bob the staff
Spiderbenb lol
Spiderbenb Emote ruxstaff
Thierry Interesting
Thierry The short answer is that Ruxxtin doesn't really call the staff at all
Soleil lol wow
Spiderbenb Has a staff, never named it.
HypnoSpeaker shoulda named it Jequoinkoloinks
Thierry The staff is the real bad guy, right?
Thierry It's way too big, as are all the clothes
Thierry Could all this gear really be Ruxxtin's?

Takeaways Edit

  • Ruxxtin's gear most likely did not originally belong to him.

October 19, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Kammesennin Here's a question: Does Emote GolemThump really believe that you attacked him first?
Thierry Yes, Emote emeraldA is not evil, just digging away in the grotto
Thierry The very face of misunderstanding
Soleil Is their name Emerald Spirit or Green or Greeny or? Because I think we only know that their golem was called Emerald Golem.
Thierry There definitely is something about the emerald in the grotto
Thierry The Shopkeeper has very little to say about the place's history, but still touches on its denizens

Takeaways Edit

October 20-21, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry re @Clappj : Autumn Hills, the Key of Hope! It's not as obivous as the others, but it crystalized over centuries from the emotions felt by the villagers as their Messengers were leaving the nest.
Soleil It's kind of sad, because they don't know if their Messenger will ever return. Like Soldier....
Soleil If they ever do return.
Soleil Maybe they can't.
Soleil Since they're hanging out in the Tower of Time.
Soleil Even though there's only 3 dudes. Emote thinking
Kodran iirc the shopkeep says you were supposed to send quarble to save your messenger. but the queen of quills has quillble, was it like quillble used to be the dude, but when queeny got cursed they found a new person to fill the job?
Soleil They make it sound like there's multiple greed demons. Maybe they do rotations.
Soleil Or they just do like.
Soleil Quarble hangs out with all the dudes and Quillble hangs out with all the gals.
Soleil Messengers and greed demons had to start working together very early, unless the first Messenger was really lucky and had a 0-death run.
Soleil Does the Demon King know about greed demons? Are greed demons just kind of safe since Quarble mentions he exists outside of space-time?
Soleil Because I'm sure the Demon King wouldn't be happy if demonkind were helping out humans.
Soleil Unless he's just complacement due to the cycle existing since he knows humans will just suffer anyways.
Soleil Also, Quillble's name couldn't have always been Quillble, I don't think. Because she got quills added to herself when she got cursed.
Soleil And maybe the curse also turned her green, because like Quarble seems to recognize Quillble for a moment.
Soleil But we already have a separate character called "Quibble," so I wouldn't know what Quillble's previous name could be.
Thierry "Even though there's only 3 dudes. Emote thinking"
Soleil

Yeah, that's what I meant. Emote stuck out tongue

  • Thierry react: Emote thumbsup
Thierry Deleting that one, it's actually stated in the game :p
Soleil There had to have been more dudes, then something happened.
Soleil I mean there's "Fallen" members like Monk.
Soleil A mass Fallen-ing would be quite something, but...
  • Thierry react: Emote thinking
Soleil But if like only 3 dudes could remain after some mysterious event, I'm glad it's those 3, they have great kinda silly personalities.
Soleil Some Messengers died to Emerald Golem at least.
Soleil And maybe some fell during the Forlorn Temple excursions.
Soleil But then it's stated to be "Messengers," and I'm not sure if that's solely Messengers in the process of delivering the scroll or if Blue Robes order members also count.
Soleil It was mentioned that an especially taleneted Messenger got 2 of the music notes, and that makes me think Blue Robes guys count too.
Thierry words have been used very precisely, and as you know Blue Robes are retired Messengers
Thierry so they don't have the title anymore
Thierry there is only ever one
Soleil I see. Emote open mouth
Soleil But also, wait, how did those guys die against Emerald Golem if they had greed demons to revive them?
Soleil Unless they're only allowed to give a greed demon to the current Messenger, or like someone failed to send out the greed demon.
Thierry Oh did they always have them?
Soleil Emote quarbleO
Soleil It's just surprising, because The Shopkeeper acts like it's a big deal when Soldier dies.
Soleil But it seems par for the course.
Soleil Also, it must be super-awkward when a would-be Messenger climbs all the way to the top of the mountain, but they hold the scroll aloft and nothing happens.
Soleil Because The Shopkeeper is surprised that Ninja is worthy when Ninja summons the tower.
Spiderbenb Well we all know the Ninja is a little slow. Emote smirk
Thierry "The Shopkeeper acts like it's a big deal when Soldier dies." -that's because it is, by "present curse cycle standards"
Thierry but how long ago did the curse hit?
Thierry a timeless battle, right?
Soleil Duuude, now I'm just super-confused.
Spiderbenb I wonder how the soldier died though? Emote thinking Falling in a pit or did the slowest moving enemy walk into him too many times?
Thierry haha, didn't mean to confuse
Thierry let me be less cryptic
Thierry greed demons
Thierry can't spell that without "demon"
Thierry now, who's invading the humans?
Spiderbenb Mosquitos? Emote smirk
Thierry maybe a subset changed team sometime along the centuries
Soleil But why would greed demons betray the Demon King and other demons? Like just for the money?
Soleil And somehow that's importantly linked to the present curse cycle standards?
Thierry well, you also can't spell greed demons without greed, right?
Soleil Emote thinking
Thierry by present curse cycle I meant, there have been a looooot of cycles before the one you played
Thierry so who knows what happened during all this time
Thierry simply put, Messengers used to just die, now they have greed demons on their side
Spiderbenb Might as well get paid by "saving" a messenger right?
Soleil I still feel like, it shouldn't be a huge deal if Soldier died if they can just spend an infinite amount of time building up the army again. Like Shopkeeper doesn't seem empathetic about Soldier's actual death, he just seems upset that the cycle has been disurpted.
(Though of course they aren't aware that the more time they spend, the bigger the Mask grows in power.)
Unless they were aware of some sort of time limit, or like they were afraid of their numbers getting cut down again. I just don't see why it's such a big deal.

Also like The Prophet just assumes that the prophecy was like occurring at that moment of time in the game, but what would even key him to thinking that?
Soleil Like The Prophet mentions something along the lines of, it's just as it was foretold in the legends, a Messenger who traverses back and forth between time periods to end the cycle once and for all.
Soleil But he's like, yeah, it's gotta be Ninja.
Soleil But there's nothing particularly special about Ninja.
Soleil Also like, during the end part of the game, you talk to The Shopkeeper, and The Shopkeeper mentions that Ninja has to deal with the Phantom on his own.
Soleil But why does Ninja have to do it by himself?
Soleil I mean, The Shopkeeper just teleports into the Music Box after the battle is over.
Soleil And The Shopkeeper seems exhausted when they teleport back out.
Thierry There's a lot in there Emote smiley
Soleil For gameplay purposes, I think that's fine. But from a story perspective, I don't see why they couldn't assist Ninja.
Soleil Yeah sorry lol.
Soleil I just think about the story a lot.
Thierry No no I love it!
Thierry It's just that I don't want to give too much away either, some things are meant to be left as questions
Soleil Yeah, I'm totally fine if you prefer not to answer anything.
Soleil I'm like already estatic out of my gourd from the other breadcrumbs you dropped.
Thierry The main important point I see getting disregarded, is what carrying the scroll actually does
Soleil Ohhh
Thierry What does it do to its carrier?
Soleil Attuning the carrier to time magic and allows them to travel through rifts.
Thierry Or rather, allow its carrier to do?
Thierry Lets them see weird manifestations
Thierry So the checkpoits are really rifts
Thierry Over time, they built frames around them to help future Messengers
Soleil I thought maybe the Blue Robes guys build those crumbling sage statues near the portals.
Thierry Also about Soldier's death, having only 4 people left might be a bit stressful no?
Thierry And even though they didn't know about the mask gaining in strength, they're at a point in the timeless war where a very powerful demon is very close to entering the Tower of Time
Thierry so there is so pressure for sure
Soleil Oh, the Corrupted Future has those blocks that turn pink when attacked, and the map implies it's kind of similar to the tower.
Soleil And the past version of The Corrupted Future has the tower of time spike platforms.
Soleil But the only thing that seems weird is the moon.
Thierry Corrupted Future, precisely
Thierry You are stepping into the very thing you are trying to prevent

Takeaways Edit

  • Blue Robes are retired Messengers, so Blue Robes members no longer carry the title of "Messenger." There is only ever one Messenger at a time.
  • Messengers did not always have greed demons on their side. At some point in time, greed demons betrayed demonkind and teamed up with Messengers. Before this event, Messengers used to just plain up die.
  • The Shopkeeper freaks out when he learns that Soldier died, because the Corrupted Future is an imminent threat, and there aren't many remaining Blue Robes members. They are at a point in their timeless war where a very powerful demon is very close to entering the Tower of Time.
  • Over time, Messengers built frames around rifts to help future Messengers.

October 23, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil Shopkeeper: Legend also says that the monk still roams the marsh to this day, turning any trespassers into fungi.
Soleil And like we see in the background, the place is filled withan enormous number of sad-looking mushrooms that sometimes sing with the music.
Soleil But, I think it might be safe to assume that literally every mushroom was once an actual living human at some point, right?
  • Thierry react: Emote thumbsup

Takeaways Edit

October 23, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The Tower of Time is at the end of time, right?
Thierry So ANY event, past or future, is known there
Thierry And any Messenger, past of future, visits at their convenience
Soleil Emote open mouth Emote open mouth Emote open mouth
Thierry At least it's HQ form
Thierry "Shopkeeper: WHEN! It will take you to the time most in need of a Messenger. That is, if the tower doesn't kill you, of course."
Thierry All the dead bodies you see when playing the Tower of Time level?
Thierry "That is, if the tower doesn't kill you, of course."
Soleil They were the same color as the statues, so I thought.... oh no...
Thierry That's a healthy mix of NES-like restrictions and hiding things in plain sight Emote wink
Thierry Now as to why everyone is acting like it's all about Ninja and no other important events are going on at the same "time" (and I do need to use the quotes here)
Thierry One thing that is being overlooked a lot is why they even wear robes
Soleil It was explained in that 1 cutscene before the Music Box stage.
Thierry Emote point up 2
Soleil I want to write it down but I don't want to misquote it.
Soleil "But as it turned out, meeting denizens of the future , or even one's alternate self, could be troubling for some. After a few incidents of more primitive Messengers going into shock, they opted to conceal their appearance."
Thierry Simply put, even though these concepts can hardly ever be put simply, and these are abstract numbers here so don't assume anything, the 3rd Messenger could be the one to break the curse, but it could depend on a very important event happening to the 208th Messenger
Thierry The implications of that are best left off the minds of focused adventurers
Thierry So, the HQ always appears to you as if it were all about you and only for you
Thierry The Shopkeeper is sitting at the end of time, so cavemen and robots alike visit in no particular order from the shop's perspective

Takeaways Edit

  • The Tower of Time is aware of all past, present, and future events.
  • The bodies lying on the floor of the Tower of Time are the actual dead bodies of Messengers who failed to make it through the Tower of Time challenge.
  • Due to the complex nature of time travel and alternate universes, the Messenger that breaks the Curse wouldn't necessarily have to be the final Messenger, and it could be reliant on a very important event happening to a later Messenger, hypothetically.
  • The Tower of Time HQ changes appearance to reflect the Messenger who's there.
  • Messengers from all different time periods visit the Tower of Time HQ at their leisure in no particular order from the shop's perspective.

October 27, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry That's some top-tier digging you all Emote manfredH
Soleil Prisoner octopus thing.
Soleil in a cage.
Soleil It's Sabotoy!
Soleil So digging is okay?
Thierry Haha absolutely!
Soleil i mean it's too late but
Thierry You picked up on the meta vibes from the get go, and it should go beyond the game indeed
Soleil Emote open mouth
Thierry So
Thierry I can't comment on Sunboy and Moongirl for now
Thierry But the Barma'thazel Gauntlet Intro thing
Thierry Is the part to get to the Key of Chaos
Thierry that's the "gauntlet", or was in the high level scrip
Thierry The idea was to start that bit with Barma'thazel 8bit saying hey I know how it ends (you kill him in 16bit) so he's trying to do a last ditch effort to prevent that
OwO Ham and Cheese That's awesome
Thierry The text is still there because indeed scrying magic is shared
Thierry Because Phantom got attuned to whaaat?
Soleil Wait, the script is a scroll too?
Soleil wtf
Clappj so scrying magic isn't exclusive to the scrying orb
Thierry sorry I meant the script for the game
Thierry like game design document
Clappj the scrying orb is just sort of an easy gateway to scrying magic
Soleil Dude, that makes so much sense, because the second half of the game, you spend the majority in 8-bit, so you would return to that final room again.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Thierry Scrying magic though
Thierry Blue Robes, where do their powers come from?
Clappj quarble mentions that he has a magic ring to travel spacetime
Clappj so I'm guessing various artifacts
OwO Ham and Cheese I feel way out of the deep lore loop here
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldS
Thierry I'm not sure how I can say more without spoiling the fun
Thierry But the pre-music box slideshow explains how humans ever got to use magic

Takeaways Edit

  • There is unused dialogue in the script (BARMATHAZEL_GAUNTLET_INTRO). You would return to the final room of the Underworld in 8-bit and have a conversation with Barma'thazël. In that conversation, Barma'thazël mentions that he can use scrying magic. That cut section of the game was originally involved in obtaining the Key of Chaos.
  • Demon magic is the root of the scroll's magic.

October 29, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

strizer86 I always thought the potions looked like those Kong toys you'd buy for dogs with 1 less... I dunno "bump" to them

Kong Toy

Thierry Emote joy
Thierry It's based on old sake bottles
Thierry Sake Bottle

Takeaways Edit

  • Health jars are based off of old sake bottles.

October 30, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil There was a cavewoman in the scene where they were displaying all of the Messengers.
Soleil Which makes me wonder if the western village just eventually had all of the types of different Messengers over time, or if they pulled someone back from the flood.
Soleil But I think it's unlikely a pre-flood cavewoman.
Clappj I think the flood set humanity back thousands of years
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Clappj the way it's set, I think the flood happens around our timeframe
Clappj with the ice caps melting and whatnot
Clappj that could also explain where the clockwork concierge comes from
Soleil But nobody looked like cavepeople during any of the cutscenes after the flood.
Clappj and why he has an extinguisher
Clappj yeah, timeskip
Soleil The Western Village has had cavemen, monks, vikings, ninjas, and robots.
Soleil And normal-ish people in the cutscene.
Clappj Well, yeah
Clappj say humanity gets almost wiped out
Clappj there's a good chance that the people left don't have many survival skills
Clappj like, if you were forced on an island with say.... 40 other people, you wouldn't be making houses and using electricity yet
Clappj you would go back to the stone age
Clappj and slowly make your way back up
Clappj over generations
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • Both the flood and the demon attack of Forlorn Temple set humans back many generations in technology.

October 30, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Clappj Ok so
Clappj let's take a step back
Clappj why do they not go past the first messenger
Soleil (Unless they have.)
Clappj Why would they not go past the first messenger and if they have, what for?
Soleil "Timeless battle" but not anywhere before the scroll's creation?
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Soleil So it's timeless but with a rule?

Takeaways Edit

  • Messengers are possibly unable to time travel to a time period before the scroll's creation.

October 30, 2018 (#3) Edit

Conversation Edit

Clappj wait
Clappj the story ends with the messengers in the tower of time
Clappj which is outside of time completely
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • The Mask is destroyed inside The Void, which is important.

October 30, 2018 (#4) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry Heeey great thread once again Emote smiley
Thierry One thing I should probably clarify that were meant to be clearer in the game: the flood occured while the giants, which aren't gods, were protecting humans. The giants' sky realm is where the demons attacked first.
Thierry Another thing, without getting into time/budget dev realities which would completely kill the lore vibe here, is that indeed Ninja was supposed to add portals shop portals himself in the skylands and the music box. The scroll lets the carrier see tears, and they put frames around them to help future messengers. These tears lead to the void.
Thierry As for ToT knowing "when" to send Messenger, you can think of the "timeless battle" as a rubix cube of possible timelines it's trying to solve.

Takeaways Edit

  • Guardian Gods and sky giants are completely different groups.
  • There really shouldn't be frames around the checkpoint rifts in Elemental Skylands or the Music Box. Ninja was originally meant to add the frames himself, but it didn't make it to the final version of the game.
  • The Tower of Time decides "when" to send a Messenger, treating the "timeless battle" as a rubix cube of potential timelines that it's trying to solve.

October 31, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil Ohh, someone uploaded this image a long time ago in this particular Discord.

Beta Screenshot Collage

Soleil Lower-left shows off 16-bit Leaf Monster.
Soleil And heck, most of the screenshots here are very beta.
Soleil whaaa
Kodran

brown howling grotto Emote cold sweat

  • SaboSclout react: Emote emeraldS
Soleil Okay, there's 1 really really really interesting one.
Soleil Column 1, row 4.
Soleil Iron Hood and another person?!
Soleil Looks feminine, maybe a beta Queen of Quills?
Kodran thats what i was thinking
Soleil 2 swords instead of a whip.
Soleil And they were enshrined in Sunken Shrine.
Soleil Beta Sunboy and Moongirl???
Soleil 3/4 statues we believe are linked to certain people, but we don't really know who Iron Hood is linked to, so this makes sense...
Later
Soleil Beta Sunken Shrine Comparison
Thierry beta Sunken Shrine statues were used for placeholder!
Thierry we wanted to design those statues later but opted to leave sunboy and moongirl appearances completely abstract
Thierry there is no correlation with iron hood, the shrine sunk during the flood and was already hundreds of thousands of years old by that point
Clappj may I ask a question
Thierry sure, I'll answer anything that's not already there to find or to be explored later
Thierry (in other words, clarify anything that's already meant to be clear)
Clappj Do we know iron hood?
Clappj Or are they another random person that we've yet to see?
Thierry there have been hundreds of cycles before Ninja
Clappj Thank you

Takeaways Edit

  • The Iron Hood was possibly a Messenger in a cycle before Ninja.

October 31, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb So hang on...If the Tower of Time is at the end of time itself wouldn't that mean that at any point two or more messengers from different points in time could theoretically cross paths while in the Tower of Time? Emote thinking
Later
Soleil Apparently each Messenger sees their own version of the HQ.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • Each Messenger sees their own version of the Tower of Time HQ, so they don't really interact with each other.

October 31, 2018 (#3) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil It seems like Shopkeeper still has to hang out in the Tower of Time assisting random messengers even though from his point of view the curse was already defeated.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • The Shopkeeper truly did experience the curse being defeated even though he's helping out Cowboy post-credits.

November 9, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

heather i'm still so mad about the demons being named turtles
Soleil looool
heather cuz my friend was like "oh what are the turtle things"
Soleil hahahah
heather and i said "those are demons not turtles"
Thierry Emote open mouth
Thierry They're both actually!
Soleil Demon Mutant Ninja Turtles
Thierry Kappa are turtle demons in japanese folklore
Thierry Now to consider the "koopa" as cute versions of these for Super Mario

Takeaways Edit

  • Some of the demons are Kappa.

November 9, 2018 (#2) Edit

Note: "Le Shopkeeper" is The Shopkeeper's Steam trading card name and official Twitter username.

Conversation Edit

Soleil You wrote the entire English script, and Devolver handled all of the other translations. But did you have any input on the French scripts? Or did Devolver handle that too?
Thierry The French text were handled by their translators as well, as we needed "international french" for Europe and Québécois is a niche thing
Thierry We did do that one though!
Soleil Ah, you did the Quebec French script too?
Thierry Yes
Soleil Which one did you write first?
Thierry English
Soleil I see!
Thierry It's also the canon one for what it's worth
Soleil Were there any jokes that you had to alter so they made sense in French?
Thierry Haha yeah
Soleil Le Shopkeeper is canon
Thierry Qc Quarble is a whole new thing
Thierry Le Shopkeeper is just for the meme of adding "le" from english to make something sound french
Thierry But yeah, The Shopkeeper...
Later
Thierry Again, English is canon! Especially since it's easier in that language to write around stuff
Thierry Like not being too specific

Takeaways Edit

  • The English version of the script is canon.

November 11, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry So about the shopkeeper
Thierry I just want to reiterate that the english version is canon
Soleil Emote open mouth
Soleil So cryptic, I wonder why that's important.
Thierry Probably because it's a bigger deal than you'd think
Thierry A twist do subtle it was lost on translators
Soleil ?!
Soleil Well, I only know English so that's good. Emote thinking
Soleil I think.
Spiderbenb Looks like we got a mystery to solve. Emote stuck out tongue
Soleil But I would assume maybe that twist would have been properly translated in Québécois.
Soleil Unless it can't?
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Soleil Something super important related to the English version and The Shopkeeper.

Takeaways Edit

  • The English version of the script is canon. It's important and somehow linked to The Shopkeeper.

November 16, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry re: ambidextrous
Thierry it's very subtle, but Ninja is holding his sword backwards in 16bit
Soleil Ah, I see. *don't know anything about swords*
Thierry like handle is down at his hip
Thierry à la Garen Malek
DreamHazard fun fact: I'm not the only person who wondered where Ninja kept his scuba gear
DreamHazard before realising that was the scroll on his back
Soleil I thought it was scuba gear too...
Thierry This was the ref!

Garen Malek

Soleil Oh!! Very neat.
Soleil It does look like he's swinging it like that.
Thierry the most obvious one is the idle standing attack, if you let it play fully instead of moving again he clearly holsters it from the bottom
Thierry that's one thing we wished had come through more clearly
Thierry because it's such a cool visual upgrade in theory
Soleil So he's right-handed?
DreamHazard I learned some defensive techniques from that starting position, there's a really confusing counter you can do by sidestepping and flicking the blade up into your opponent's sword
Soleil Not ambidextrous...
Thierry depends which side you're scrolling, but from the back shot, yes
Soleil Thank you very much!
Thierry also the running and standing animation, notice the hand is always on the handle, so up to his shoulder in 8bit and down to his hip in 16bit Emote wink
Thierry ready to strike
Soleil Yeah, that makes way more sense now.
Soleil I'm just sort of sitting here next to a time portal, going back and forth to see what it looks like.
Soleil The live-action short doesn't flip the sword holster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7VhIMBt7Yw&t=218
DreamHazard however...
DreamHazard Shinobi no Kikan Screencap
Soleil Emote mess8
Thierry We weren't on the set, so little subtleties are off
Thierry Stoked on it though!
Later
Kammesennin Is that voice canon? Cuz I really imagined his voice being quite different.
Later
Thierry Shopkeeper?
Thierry The voice couldn't be less canon

Takeaways Edit

  • Ninja is right-handed if he's facing to the right.
  • Ninja's draws his sword differently in 8-bit and 16-bit. His hand is always at the sword handle, which is at the top of the sheath in 8-bit and the bottom of the sheath in 16-bit.
  • Although The Shopkeeper has a super-deep voice in the video, "Shinobi No Kikan," this is not his canon voice.

November 18, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry Guardian Gods, huh?
Thierry Where do you think they sit on the timeline compared to the giants, or the flood?
Thierry And for The Shopkeeper, english is canon

Takeaways Edit

  • The English version of the script is very canon and related to The Shopkeeper.

November 22, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil So you're saying all the dudes at the Tower of Time are The Shopkeeper?
Gooberbarbarian I like the idea that some or all of the blue robes are the same person.
Spiderbenb The current Shopkeeper is The First Messenger and all of the Messengers after that are different variations of The Shopkeeper himself.
Spiderbenb Due to...Time ****ery.
Gooberbarbarian But then why does the shopkeeper need to tech himself how to do stuff
Kammesennin There's so much ****ery that whatever is going on is going to be impossible for us to guess at before the 8th.
Gooberbarbarian True that
Thierry @Spiderbenb very cool but no

Takeaways Edit

  • The Shopkeeper is not every member of the Blue Robes.

November 22, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The void?
Thierry A lot of things connect to it I guess
Thierry It's a the end of time, where all messengers meet
Later
Thierry They built frames around the rifts leading to it, so that future messengers could enter it more easily
Later
Thierry that's where the Tower of Time is

Takeaways Edit

  • Reiterating that The Void is at the end of time, where all Messengers meet. The Tower of Time is also there.
  • Thierry at the time was questioned about the appearance of a new Discord channel, called #the-void. Thierry acted as if he was not aware of the new channel.

November 22, 2018 (#3) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The "Corrupted Future", right?
Thierry "The very future you are trying to prevent"
Thierry Thinking of the wolves in the coop or however that goes in english, what's the worst thing that could happen in your opinion?
Gooberbarbarian Wolves?
Spiderbenb It's a metaphor
Thierry Like, what would be the equivalent of that in the messenger world?
Gooberbarbarian Whats the worst possible future?
Thierry worst possible thing to happen
Gooberbarbarian The #the-void is here again
Soleil I'd say humans being tortured for eternity is pretty terrible.
Gooberbarbarian I did see like little pixelated bodies falling from the sky in the corrupted future...
Kammesennin Worst possible thing? The destruction of all universes at all times at once.
Thierry ok so expression goes "wolves in the sheep pen"
Gooberbarbarian I guess the curse loop is pretty much eternal torture
Thierry what would be the equivalent of that
Gooberbarbarian Oh okay
Soleil But if that future is actually prevented and they got the music note, that would cause a paradox, right?
Thierry Or a branch
Soleil Emote open mouth
Soleil But that's also terrible!
Gooberbarbarian Why
Soleil Because The Corrupted Future was never prevented, there's still a timeline where humans are raining from the sky.
Gooberbarbarian Ouch
Thierry Yeah that does sound sad
Gooberbarbarian Or it's a branch where if the messenger fails the world dies
Soleil Emote cry
Spiderbenb I uhh...don't have anymore crazy theories.
Gooberbarbarian Geez, this game just became really high-stakes
Spiderbenb Those were the only crazy ones i had. Emote stuck out tongue
Thierry I haven't gone through much of the archives, in fact I only had access to a small portion, but I was told not to worry about that, that it can all end happily somehow
Later
Gooberbarbarian Why did he say he only had a small access to the archives?
Soleil Since that was The Archivist's job.
Thierry Gooberbarbarian I don't think I can speak to that, or at least not yet

Takeaways Edit

  • The Corrupted Future can still exist even though it was prevented by Ninja since it's a branch.
  • There is a way to make a happy ending for everyone.
  • SaboTeam can only access a small portion of the archives.

November 22, 2018 (#4) Edit

Conversation Edit

Gooberbarbarian The void just moved
Gooberbarbarian It's moving around
Gooberbarbarian Ahh
Soleil Yeah, very interesting.
Soleil And you can't upload pictures to The Void.
Gooberbarbarian Aah this is scary
Spiderbenb Someone....somewhere....is messing with The Void.
Gooberbarbarian I can't upload anything to the void
Thierry What
Thierry ???
Soleil Emote messdoubt
Spiderbenb

Fry Squint

  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldCL

Takeaways Edit

  • SaboTeam doesn't know anything about #the-void channel shenanigans.

November 23, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Kammesennin Colos and Suses are said to be brothers. When the ninja grows the thistle and harvests it in the future he says something along the lines of "Now to go save two dumb brothers from waiting around until they die."
Soleil Oh right, I forgot about that.
Soleil How does Ninja know they're brothers?
Kammesennin That I don't have a quote for... I should swap to English one of these days lol.
Soleil "Time to prevent two dumb brothers from waiting to death."
Kammesennin That's the one
Later
NʀɢSpoon Does the ninja actually say that about the brothers? I seem to remember it being in a generic narration box.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • Generic narration boxes are not Ninja's own thoughts.

November 28, 2018 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Gooberbarbarian Wait, Barma'thazel has one eye because he other is covered by an eye patch!
Gooberbarbarian Didn't the prophecy say something about a monster with one eye?
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

November 28, 2018 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry I think Bamboo Creek deserves a bit of mulling over
Later
Spiderbenb Well there must be a reason why Bamboo Creek doesn't have a boss right? Not because it's a "free level"
Soleil There do happen to be Phobekins in Bamboo Creek and Cloud Ruins.
Soleil OH
Soleil There's like, a lot of building structures in Bamboo Creek?
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
nothingisa I think there's no boss just to play with expectations, pretty funny if you talk to the shop guy
Soleil Did Phobekins live there and build that?
Soleil Was that their first home?
Spiderbenb Well wasn't there a bunch of buildings next to Forlorn temple in that one cutscene though?
Soleil They are very good at building things, and it's very like mechanically sound?
Soleil Humans built Forlorn Temple but
Soleil Maybe not the stuff at Bamboo Creek.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • The structures in Bamboo Creek were built by a non-human race.

December 8, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The Archivist recruited SaboTeam, we tell the stories he asks us to tell, but we don't know his endgame (or origin)

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist recruited SaboTeam to tell people specific stories.
  • The Archivist works mysteriously.

December 11, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry Barma'thazel emojis are up!! Bush Emote nobushbarm
Soleil omg
Thierry Also The Archivist asked for these two, but we don't know why... Emote voteO Emote voteX
Soleil Unbelievable.
Clappj Wait... the archivist? Why would they want barma'thazel emotes???
Thierry No, the other two
Clappj ohh
Thierry Emote shrug

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist is mysterious.

December 12, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb When do you think we'll be visited by The Archivist again? Knowing that he's immortal now, he can't really die now can he?
Later
Dime I've noticed the word immortal used typically two ways: a theoretically unending natural lifespan, and the former plus invincibility
Thierry Definitely the former in this case

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist is immortal in the sense that he has a theoretically unending natural lifespan, but he's not invincible.

December 13, 2018 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry @Gooberbarbarian canonical Ninja height is two tiles
heather wow hes as tall as minecraft steve
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldCL
Kammesennin I love that height description.
rchirino how big are tiles in The Messenger? 8, 16 px?
rchirino and 1 px = ? cm
rchirino then we get his canonical height
Thierry do it @SaboMiko
Kammesennin

It's just two tiles. In any game world he will auto adjust to two tiles Emote LUL

  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Thierry on real life unit equivalents though we don't really have that
heather and in real life hed be the height of 2 wall tiles as well
SaboMiko They are 20px*20px
Thierry Kamme gets it

Takeaways Edit

  • Ninja is 2 tiles tall.

January 8, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Shadow Rizer Have the developers commented on whether or not the western hero is the shopkeeper?
Thierry That's not for us to spoil!
Thierry The Archivist offered to share insight on the shopkeeper's true identity but the community voted to summon Rainbowdragoneyes into Discord instead
Kodran no regrets
Vascos 100% worth it
MrKalish ^^^

Takeaways Edit

  • The community chose to summon Rainbowdragoneyes instead of learning an important hint related to The Shopkeeper's identity.

January 8, 2019 / January 10, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry I can assure you that The Archivist picks every single word carefully, and that there is no trickery
Later
Thierry The Archivist will remain cryptic, but he never lies or tricks
Later
Thierry He's like even more canon than English

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist is not trying to trick the community.

January 16, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry Evening ninjas
Thierry First of all, Mario RPG is an amazing game
Thierry No matter how much praise it gets it will always be underrated
Thierry Whether Monk was the most skilled isn't clear, but she was definitely the strongest
Thierry Also I kind if want to bend the lore to make Pitou = Emote artificer , you folks are unreal Emote joy
Soleil Oh that's right, Magic Firefly says "She'll be fine, there has never been a stronger Messenger."
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
GaidenGravity XD
Gooberbarbarian Pitou Emote artificer
Spiderbenb Anything else to share with us Thierry? Emote stuck out tongue lol
Soleil And it's Shopkeeper who said Monk was their most promising messenger.
Gooberbarbarian Like lore hints or clues
Gooberbarbarian Or Pitou Emote artificer theory confirmation
Thierry Well
Thierry there's a few thing about the pre music box cutscene that has you all theorizing and I feel part of it is unfair
Soleil

Bend the Lore

  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldCL
Thierry as in some things were assumed to be clearly stated but clearly didn't get their point across
Thierry so I'm thinking I could just be 100% right now if some of you are up for it
Thierry *100% clear
Soleil Emote open mouth Sure.
Gooberbarbarian Yes
Thierry I'm not doing this on mobile, brb
Later
Thierry Alright so
Thierry What magic is the scrolled based on
Spiderbenb Time Magic
Soleil Demon magic.
Thierry Which is based on?
Thierry Correct, Soleil
Gooberbarbarian Ooh
Spiderbenb (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Thierry lol
Soleil lol
GaidenGravity lol
Gooberbarbarian Was that the lore reveal that we glossed over?
Thierry Yes, have a good night everyone
Gooberbarbarian Okay
Thierry Glad I opened the laptop
Spiderbenb Magic. Gotcha.
Thierry Demons, bye.
Kammesennin I don't think so. I thought we covered that briefly the other night... but I guess "briefly" would be the problem then.
Spiderbenb We got it folks. Everyone go to bed now.
Gooberbarbarian Why demon magic then
Soleil "But Phantom's will was a strong one, offering lapses of sanity where he could tap into his growing understanding of demon magic."
Gooberbarbarian Maybe its a trap!
Dime The Creator (of demons)
Thierry Precisely Soleil, ok I thought that bit had gotten lost
Thierry So that's the first thing I wasn't sure was clear. Humans can't do magic, or at least couldn't
Soleil Not even Sunboy or Moongirl?
Soleil Emote thinking
GaidenGravity those aren't humans, those are gods tho
Gooberbarbarian So he used controlled demon magic using the remaining power he had so he could imbue the scroll with magic energy for time travel and stuff?
Soleil THey used to be humans tho.
heather you got your ****ing laptop out to type three messages
heather bro
Thierry The Mask was meant to mind crontrol Phantom instantly, but he somehow fought back enough that he managed to tap into it befe losing his mind, and he imbued part of that magic into the scroll so that its carrier could also tap into that magic. The branch of it they would need as a tool, which is Time Magic
Thierry If we can put a check on that there's two other points to make sure are clear
heather can u give any hints regarding the "shopkeeper is muse" theory, or at least confirm whether or not you have seen said theory
Gooberbarbarian Befe
Soleil Interesting, humans had no capability to use magic until the scroll. Emote open mouth
Spiderbenb So...what if.
NʀɢSpoon does this mean all demons have the capability of time magic?
Spiderbenb And this is my What If Theory.
Soleil I thought that maybe those magic arrows and magic shurikens were somewhat innate, but.
Spiderbenb I'll share my what if theory after.
Soleil And then Ruxxtin uses magic with the staff.
Kammesennin Well if this time magic is a derivitive of demon magic, then it does stand to reason that even if not all demons can do it, there will be a certain number of them that can.
Thierry One glitch in the game completely invalidates an important lore tidbit, which is you souldn't even see the time shards unless you carry the scroll or are in the void
Kammesennin My immediate question is: do all demons have the ability to perform magic?
Soleil ?!
Thierry so those two ranged demons in the ninja village... the shards should either be invisible, or at least go to the bowman
heather doss that mean ur gonna patch out those drops
Gooberbarbarian Wait wut
Kammesennin That makes sense
Thierry since only 5 of us care, prolly not
Thierry but at least you know
NʀɢSpoon that could be cool, make them invisible, but you still collect them
GaidenGravity lol
Kammesennin I hope not.
heather i mean! its been bothering me!
Kammesennin It's one of the most fun guessing games at the start of every speedrun
Soleil Dude that's so cool
Kammesennin "How many shards guys? 0, 1, or 2?"
heather you get bowman and soldiers time shards
GaidenGravity This is kind of huge for my theory a h h h
Gooberbarbarian So that means the time shards are only accessible by people with the scroll?
Soleil Wait, so normal people who can't see it could walk smack face into a giant shard?
heather doesn't make sense either bowman should get yours or soldier should get yours
Gooberbarbarian Maybe the time shards don't exist for other people
Spiderbenb I'll be back in a little while to read over/share my theories tonight. Heading out for a snack run.
heather also wait does that mean shopkeepers in the void
Spiderbenb Been working on these theories for a while. Emote stuck out tongue
Thierry yo that was just a sidetrack
Thierry we got two other points for the lore cutscene
Gooberbarbarian Ooh
Soleil Emote thumbsup
heather ok but shopkeeper being in the void feels important
Thierry regarding locations ; is it understood that the temple the humans built is now the forlorn temple occupied by the demon king, and that the hideout they built on the western edge after the exile is now known as the ninja village?
GaidenGravity yes
Gooberbarbarian Yee
Thierry ok I wasn't sure
Thierry last point is the complex one
Thierry the void omg
Thierry carrying the scroll attunes you to time magic
Thierry attunes?
Thierry let me google that
Thierry Definition of attune
transitive verb

1 : to bring into harmony : TUNE
2 : to make aware or responsive
attune businesses to changing trends
Thierry the second one
heather is that why the demons want the scroll
Thierry carrying the scroll makes you aware and responsive to time magic
Gooberbarbarian Like the shards
GaidenGravity i'd think teh demons want the scroll just to really destroy the messengers lol
heather do demons want to be able to use time magic
heather or is it just for messenger genocide
GaidenGravity quarble tho @heather
Gooberbarbarian So the rips in space time already exist but normal people can't see them
Kammesennin Well if it is based on demon magic I would think they do not need it to use the magic, but moreso they want to take it to prevent us from using it.
Thierry on that heather, the demons would very much like to pull a "wolves in the chicken coop" if that saying even exists in english
GaidenGravity wolves in sheep clothing?
heather not really but i get it
Thierry uh no it means like
heather they want a mole
Soleil Wolves in sheep's clothing is diguising yourself.
Thierry no no sorry
Thierry they want to crash into the void and feast
Soleil The one Thierry said is like a total massacre.
heather oh ok
GaidenGravity ahhh
NʀɢSpoon so, demons want access to the void
Thierry but they need the scroll to even see the tears
heather they want to just slap em up
heather nice, juicy
Thierry so that's the thing
Thierry carrying the scroll you see time anomalies because Phantom distilled a branch of demon magic into the scroll and made it much much more potent
Thierry it's like a time magic rod
Thierry +20 time magic
Thierry or something
Thierry also a map I guess
NʀɢSpoon lol
Thierry anyway
Gooberbarbarian And the demons want it
heather technically in the game when you go through time rifts, are you going through the void?
Kammesennin So then the demons do not all have magic?
heather maybe its so fast you dont see it but are you doing a cheeky void drivethrough
GaidenGravity yes
Thierry they all have some magic, but none specialized in time magic
Kammesennin Okay, that's the important bit I couldn't quite discern
Thierry or rather, none of them could ever be as potent in time magic as someone carrying the scroll
Thierry so basically
Thierry they don't see time shards, or time tears
Kammesennin Ahh!
Soleil ?! but greed demons eat time shards.
Gooberbarbarian Does the demon king see them though
GaidenGravity Quarble would be tied to the scroll then, right?
Thierry they can drop time shards though, but I'll let you all have at this one
Gooberbarbarian How did phantom harness demon magic to do something even demons couldn't do?
Thierry Soleil, put a pin on that we'll address it
Soleil Emote pushpin
Thierry but about time tears which is the main thing I want to set straight
GaidenGravity need a mod to actual pin
Thierry hahaha
Thierry pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins. 01/16/2019
Thierry there, a literal-virtual pin
Soleil Emote messdoubt
Kammesennin Emote RuxxtLUL
Thierry alright so
Thierry carrying the scroll you also see time tears
Thierry which I guess there are two types
Thierry but I'm talking about the checkpoint type here
Kammesennin Gotcha
Thierry not the ones you cross, the ones you enter
Kammesennin So demons want into the tower is where I'm at with this
NʀɢSpoon i like to call them rifts and portals
Thierry they lead to the void
NʀɢSpoon portals being the circular ones
Thierry the void is at the end of time
Thierry so anything you see in the void has happened whenever
NʀɢSpoon oh you mean the gates like to the shop
Thierry maybe the shopkeeper talked to you in glacial peak before the catacombs
Gooberbarbarian Wut
Thierry The Archivist is super specific about these in the script, hence the questions about "from ninja's perspective"
Thierry what Ninja did linearly from his own perspective has about zero bearing on the actual timeline
Thierry everything lined up for him, as it does everyone
heather so. wait. if the shop fast forwards you to your next relevant moment, and shopkeeper isnt in the shop at glacial peak, how does he know when you **** with the cabinet
Thierry so even if something major happened prior to his adventure, almost eradicating the blue robes and forcing them to escape the void until a new messenger would summon the tower, said messenger could still, from their own perspective, see the shopkeeper in the shop "before" the tower is summoned
Kammesennin Jesus Thierry don't blow my mind like this while I'm flying a ship in Elite: Dangerous holy hell you have no idea how fast I just came into this starport so I could "pause the universe" Emote joy
Thierry this is all hypothetical, of course Emote wink

Takeaways Edit

  • It's not clear if Monk was the most skilled Messenger (the one who obtained the Key of Adventure and Key of Revenge), but she was definitely the strongest Messenger.
  • Humans couldn't use magic until the scroll came along.
  • You shouldn't see Time Shards unless you carry the scroll or are in The Void. There's a glitch in the intro of the game with Ninja Village where the two Ranged Kappa can drop Time Shards before you get the scroll, but this shouldn't be a thing.
  • Carrying the scroll makes you aware and responsive to time magic because Phantom distilled a branch of demon magic into the scroll and made it much more potent.
  • All demons have some magic, but nothing specialized in time magic. Demons can't see Time Shards or time rifts. They need the scroll in order to be able to use time magic and in order to enter The Void.
  • Demons want the scroll and want to invade The Void.
  • The timeline perspective from the Tower of Time is different from Ninja's perspective of his own timeline. It's totally possible that The Shopkeeper met Ninja at Glacial Peak before ever meeting Ninja in the shop in the Catacombs.
  • Something major happened to the Blue Robes which almost eradicated the Order and forced them to escape The Void until the next Messenger could summon the Tower. (Hypothetically.)

January 19, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Empathy Module when the ocean is lower than hell

Ocean Map

Kammesennin Lol
Kammesennin Never thought about that
Spiderbenb Mini-Theory
Spiderbenb The Searing Crags used to be an active Volcano, but when the flood happened it "calmed" the volcano and made it dormant, but the demons reside there because it's similar to their version of hell. Like.. a temporary vacation home.
Later
Thierry Yo @Spiderbenb that is correct
Thierry The volcano part

Takeaways Edit

  • The flood turned Searing Crags from an active volcano into a dormant volcano.

January 24, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

VeggieDelphine Mais j’y pense ... anglais est le seul texte écrit par Thierry? Le reste est la job de traducteurs??
Later
Thierry Anglais et Québécois
Thierry Mais Anglais est canon

Takeaways Edit

  • Even though Thierry wrote both the English and Québécois scripts, the English version of the script is canon.

January 25, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

JAKK And it could very well be that select few (like Baramzathael)
JAKK Are in on this secret group
JAKK No other demon, other than him, up and disappears like he does
JAKK

It's almost like he vanishes before he gets killed Emote thinking

  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Later
Thierry There's something to be said about Barma'thazël's speed that's for sure
Later
Thierry Everyone has a their own unique power derived from a very basic attribute
Thierry Ninja has agility, Monk has strength
Thierry Barmy has speed
Thierry They respectively lead to cloudstepping, something I won't spoil, and phase shifting
JAKK HMMM
JAKK HMMMM
Thierry Point being, dude is fast

Takeaways Edit

  • Barma'thazël vanishes before he's killed in the Underworld.
  • Ninja's agility, Monk's strength, and Barma'thazël's speed respectively lead to Cloudstepping, a spoiler-related ability, and phase-shifting.
  • Barma'thazël is really fast.

January 26, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry I can't give away what's properly shown and or explained in game, or to be explained later
Thierry There is one thing though, if I may have your attention
Soleil Emote eyes
Thierry I was thinking of making it announcement, but I think it's better to just share here and let you all integrate that into your thinking and onboard those who need it
Kammesennin stands at attention o7
GaidenGravity Emote eyes
Thierry It's not so much tidbits, as properly setting expectations
Gooberbarbarian My body is reggie
Swordslash Hype is very high
Thierry It's a big tale and I am flawed when it comes to boiling it down
Later
Thierry The Archivist gave us The Messenger as "book one" of the big story he wants SaboTeam to tell, to eventually recruit enough adventurers to hopefully solve the big issue
Later
Thierry "Barma'thazel's Revenge" is a trilogy of self contrained side-quests which take place AFTER Ninja's mandatory story has been told. This is why they may or may not happen. The rest is optional, and while it will certainly be entertaining and offer more insight on Ninja's space-time surroundings, it's very important to understand that The Messenger belongs to The Archivist's world, and not the other way around.
Later
Thierry Simply put, "Book two" is related but also very much its own thing
Later
Thierry So basically, dealings with The Archivist right here are what truly albeit slowly move the ball forward, but you can rest assured we'll be providing Ninja action in the meantime
Later
Thierry Hopefully this makes at least enough sense to set expectations properly regarding Picnic Panic
Kammesennin Definitely
Swordslash Hey, if it's more Messenger gameplay I'll love it no matter what
Soleil Thanks for explaining things clearly!
Swordslash ^ this x100
Thierry Oh yeah, frontlfips and personal growth advice, we won't disappoint Emote wink
Later
Thierry I'll let you all have at it! Just want to say once again that's it's incredible seeing all of this Emote ninjayeah

Takeaways Edit

  • The Messenger is just one book in an overall larger universe that The Archivist wants SaboTeam to tell people.
  • The Archivist wants to recruit enough Messengers to solve the big issue.
  • "Barma'thazël's Revenge", which starts off with "Picnic Panic," is a trilogy of self-contained sidequests that occur after Ninja's mandatory story. The other two sidequests after Picnic Panic may or may not be told. It's optional stuff that definitely adds to the world-building, but it's not necessary for the larger picture.

February 4, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb So, as i stated earlier. I believe that The Alchemist/Archivist was the catalyst that brought The Demons to the World. Using a scrying orb he saw that the world would be plunged into eternal hell every 500 years. In seeing this vision he travelled back as far as he could from before The Demons arrived and attempted to seal off the world from them, however as he tried, he instead ended up causing more harm than good. Not knowing how demon Magic worked he was the one who opened the portal and let the Demons into the world. and as stated by The Archivist himself: "The one who, in an attempt to solve it all, ended up causing it all."
Later
Spiderbenb So, all Theories are proven correct until Thierry or the SaboTeam says otherwise? Gotcha. Emote smirk
Spiderbenb Shopkeeper is Pitou
Dime No, that's the Artificer
Gooberbarbarian Archivist is Pitou
Gooberbarbarian Everyone is Pitou
Spiderbenb Emote elder is a close relative of Ruxxtin2
Kammesennin Pitou
Kammesennin Ruxxtin2 is ShopkeeperEmote
Gooberbarbarian Emote nobushbarm is Emote manfred2
Gooberbarbarian Pitou is Emote manfred2
Gooberbarbarian Pitou is Emote artificer
Later
Thierry Omg I wish everyone was Pitou
Thierry Also, no @Spiderbenb
Thierry But interesting read once again

Takeaways Edit

  • Pitou is not every character.
  • The Archivist was not the catalyst who brought forth the demon army.

February 5, 2019 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry It seems punctuation was a bit off. We get the english version directly here and it reads like this "Iron Hood. As he would eventually find out, right below him lay"
Thierry the page ends there
Later
Thierry I'm not messing with The Archivist's design lol
Thierry don'T wanna lose my job
Later
VeggieDelphine Shorty
VeggieDelphine is the Iron Hood
Gooberbarbarian What
Gooberbarbarian Not confirmation
VeggieDelphine I mean ... there can't be TWO Craftsman !
Gooberbarbarian Yes there can but ok
Thierry Iron Hood is more of a blacksmith
Thierry The Artificer deals with arcane tech (them crystals)
Gooberbarbarian Did the iron hood make all of the ninjas upgrades?
Thierry Iron Hood is not The Artificer
VeggieDelphine Emote phobekinS
VeggieDelphine Emote ptijus
dosboxfalco DAMNIT
Gooberbarbarian Awwwwwwww
Thierry Thought them pecs would give a clear enough hint
Gooberbarbarian Wait
dosboxfalco is iron hood the bowman
VeggieDelphine Straight fact, for free ? Thanks Thierry
dosboxfalco twwwsw
Gooberbarbarian At least that gives room for Pitou =Emote artificer
VeggieDelphine Well if The Artificier made the statues, he could have added pecs
Gooberbarbarian Emote ok hand
Thierry The statues?
Gooberbarbarian Emote colos
Thierry If you only knew
Gooberbarbarian Wut
Thierry Aaaaand boss is mad
Thierry I'll leave it at that
Later
Gooberbarbarian Wait why is the Archivist trying to control the amount of info being given to us???
Thierry From what I understand he needs help to solve something
Gooberbarbarian Oh
Thierry But it's very complex so he's trying to slowly ramp up a group of people
Gooberbarbarian So he doesn't even know the answer
Thierry So that eventually he has minds to contend with
Thierry He's taking you there
Boo I challenge his mind to an ultimate game of skills
Thierry Look I don't really, I haven't even seen "book 2"
OHSHIET I still don't understand, is SaboMart your boss?
Boo I CHALLENGE THE ARCHIVIST TO A GAME OF ROCK PAPER SCISSORS
Thierry But Ninja's story was the best intro for some reason
Later
Thierry No SaboMart is handling the finances
Later
Thierry Me I'm just doing my best with the team to translate the book into a game
Later
Thierry Also trying to learn Discord
Later
Gooberbarbarian So the archivist shows SaboTeam these books from the archives so that they create a game and attract a ton players who help solve the archivist's mystery with him
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist is Thierry's boss. Thierry is only allowed to reveal information that The Archivist wants him to, otherwise The Archivist gets angry.
  • The Iron Hood is not The Artificer.
  • There is something special about the Tower of Time statues.
  • The Archivist wants to recruit enough Messengers to solve the big issue, so he's slowing ramping up a group of people.

February 5, 2019 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Doom Man You know how the game disguises itself as just an indie game that pays homage to Ninja Gaiden, only to surprise players halfway through
Kammesennin nods
Doom Man maybe the DLC disguises itself as this fun thing, but really it will also reveal more lore, probably vaguely
Kammesennin I'm sure there will be more lore in some way or another through it.
heather maybe the DLC disguises itself as this fun thing, but its actually taxes simulator 2019
Kammesennin For Ninja's story at the least. But maybe beyond it.
Thierry yo @Doom Man since it plays with genuine expectations we want this to be clear. Ninja's contribution to the big picture is over, but the rest of his book has fun events so we thought might as well, since the next big thing is for much later
dosboxfalco dude if i get a free copy of tax simulator 2019 i'd be happy with the picnic panic dlc
Thierry don't expect too much, it's free and just for fun Emote smiley
Doom Man I see but I won't let that keep me away from trying to find anything
Thierry but there's also more when that came from if reception is good
Later
Kammesennin So Thierry, you're saying there is NO chance we learn ANYTHING else about the demons, the blue robes, or the void through these DLCs?
Later
Thierry Oh please let your heart know for sure that there will be shenanigans
Later
Thierry But the point is it's all self-contained past this point
Later
Thierry As in irrelevant to the big picture
Later
Thierry It's just fun little Ninja short stories if that make sense
Later
Thierry Front flips and personal growth

Takeaways Edit

  • Picnic Panic won't be lore-intensive, but it will still be a fun little self-contained side adventure with Ninja shenanigans.

February 7, 2019 (The Archivist) Edit

Note: This isn't a Thierry Lore Tidbit, but The Archivist hopped out of #the-void channel to add an important react emote to a message in a different channel.

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb So, What exactly IS IT that The Archivist wants us to solve? I'm going back through The Void, but he's always alluding to Ninja's Story, but i honestly don't believe that that's what nneds to be solved. Emote thinking
Kammesennin this
Kammesennin The thing going wrong in the bigger picture
Coltaho the thing
Kammesennin ^
Kammesennin the thing he won't tell us about yet
Spiderbenb He seems so confident in us, yet wont properly explain the situation in full.
Kammesennin Ninja's Story is just something he needed us to witness first to prepare us for it. What he wants us to discuss concerning it is why
Spiderbenb Like he's waiting for that eventual "Oh god THEY FINALLY GOT IT."
Kammesennin I wouldn't mind him popping up one day like "YOU GUYS FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! I was beginning to question if you even would!"
Doom Man I will do anything that means seeing the archivist himself more
Spiderbenb He says it's Ninja's Story, but what if it's a character within Ninja's Story that we need to look at? We don't have to really look at Ninja for this, but what if it's actually someone within the story that has more value to them than what we originally thought?
  • The Archivist react: Emote point up 2

Takeaways Edit

  • Although The Archivist wanted players to observe Ninja's story first, there is another character in The Messenger that has important value and should be focused on.
  • As The Archivist has never stepped out of #the-void channel other than for this single instance, this react means that it's an extremely important statement.

February 7-8, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry I'll take a few minutes to mull this over, there's a significant effort going on here and it's beautiful to see so I want to help
Thierry But I can't spill the beans either, the journey is way more important (and fun) than the destination
GaidenGravity Oh yeah
dosboxfalco just give us the secrets of time travel so we can do it irl
GaidenGravity I wouldn't want you to say everything
Just some meatballs
dosboxfalco pls and thx
Thierry I'll try to find the words, brb
Later
Thierry Alright
Later
Thierry So The Archivist's world is huge
Thierry I hope one day we get to show you how big of an understatement that is
Later
Thierry My grandma always said that in order to eat an elephant, you gotta do it one bite at a time
Later
Thierry If you just sit there until you figure how to down it in a single bite you'll never get anything done
Later
Thierry If anyone feels like sharing, I'd be curious what you all expect from the ARG
Null Potato lore
Thierry Because it's definitely a long haul thing
Gooberbarbarian Theirry I'm worried in 50 years you'll still be continuing this ARG and all of us will be old and dead
Thierry Emote frowning
Later
Thierry If all you're looking for are frontflips and shopkeeper stories, you'll find no judgement here, and rest assured there's more where that came from Emote smiley
Thierry Our goal is to entertain, and we care to do that in many forms
Thierry The ARG emerged as a good way to ties together everything we plan on building
Gooberbarbarian This ARG is pretty darn entertaining of I do say so myself
Thierry There are no plans to close the studio
GaidenGravity So the arg is the road inbetween the games, in a sense?
Thierry And it's one of the entertainment lines we want to maintain, or at least play with for the time being
Thierry You could say that @GaidenGravity
Later
Thierry So, you're not looking for a definitive answer on a particular twist that will all be clear in a few weeks and then we close the books
Gooberbarbarian Oh
Gooberbarbarian A few weeks?
Thierry You are gathering information and allowing this world to live within you
Spiderbenb Exactly
Gooberbarbarian Why are we closing the books
Thierry Build attachment to its characters, slowly take it in
Thierry It's a big world
Later
Thierry Closing the books is what we are not doing, I meant it's not a simple thing we're wrapping up soon
Later
Thierry so, it's about learning more about the world and it's inhabitants
Thierry the end goal is the journey and not the destination
Kammesennin I just want to keep exploring, that's all I know.
Spiderbenb I want to be able to point at a random flower in that world and be able to tell you all about it.
Thierry you're free to get off any time, and we'll keep on entertaining those who care to be entertained
Kammesennin And I keep seeing connections to the real world, so that only keeps me more enthralled because it inspires me to keep exploring my actual world too even as I start to feel a little old.
Thierry I gotta say I wish you picked The Alchemist's book
Spiderbenb This train has no brakes. If you're getting off, you better duck and roll.
Null Potato if you're looking for ideas one of (if not the) coolest things that could happen to this arg is if you somehow put one of those books on a shelf or behind a counter in the real world and had us find it
Gooberbarbarian

Also Thierry while you're here, I'd like to compliment you on this amazing game you've made. I'm watching some blind runs and that last story truly made us choke up a little because of how amazing this experience has been. Whatever you make in the future, thank you for providing this amazing game and everything that'll come after! Emote ninjayeah

  • Thierry react: Emote manfredH
GaidenGravity I wanted that book so bad T-T
Thierry but anyway, we have a lot of backstory and characters to flesh out, so that eventually we can tell a bigger story that ties everything together in a way I sincerely hope we get to put in your hands one day
Kammesennin I can't wait
Gooberbarbarian Same
Kammesennin I mean obviously I can because I will
Kammesennin But I can't wait.
Spiderbenb There's always other opportunites to see what's in those books. We have years ahead of all of us to know what each and every bit of lore and what each path takes us.
Thierry Thanks @Gooberbarbarian, do yourself a favor and never let anybody tell you who you are, I did that for too long
Gooberbarbarian Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah
GaidenGravity Emote ninjayeah
Spiderbenb I'll say something while we're all here.
Boud Emote dothething
Null Potato the well story is definitely powerful, can't say I didn't get choked up
Thierry Ok so, if we can all agree to not get crazy impatient looking for the end of season plot twist, I'm happy to address some pain points
Thierry Time travel?
Thierry what's the question?
Gooberbarbarian Yee thierry's tidbits
Kammesennin I can agree to that.
Kammesennin I can't promise not to spend hours theorizing things and questioning things with the community... but I can promise not to be a dick and pester for solutions.
Null Potato I think the question is if the time in this game is single timeline or multi-timeline (need confirmation here)
GaidenGravity no
Spiderbenb

We're one hell of a communtiy, and with the team working endlessly on the dlc and the ARG, we've all gotten to know one another through this game. With the current ARG kicking so much butt on how awesome it is, i can see that this community will easily be the one i spend most of my time in. Everyone here has their own strength to figure out things and to pull together to solve so many problems that we are faced with. In short, y'all are the best goddamn people I've met. Emote ninjayeah

  • Thierry react: Emote ninjayeah
Gooberbarbarian Even though we haven't really met lol
Spiderbenb You know what i mean. Emote stuck out tongue
GaidenGravity @dosboxfalco
GaidenGravity What was your thing about Time Travel?
Thierry Ok
Gooberbarbarian I have a question about time travel but its separate from their convo
Thierry There is only one Void
Gooberbarbarian Can I ask it
Thierry There are many timelines
Thierry Did you see Ruxxtin in the Picnic Panic trailer?
GaidenGravity he had big pants
Gooberbarbarian Yee
Thierry Same guy with height issues, slight twist on how it plays out
Gooberbarbarian Was that AU ruxxtin???
Kammesennin The question on time travel I believe was something along the lines of what sort of time travel are we dealing with here? Are paradoxes possible? Are there multiples of individuals within the same universe? Like... is this Back to the Future time travel or something else?
Soleil I have a question that I don't expect an answer to, but I wonder if there's more than 1 scroll floating about.
Kammesennin It really holds us back on figuring some things out.
Gooberbarbarian I'm wondering why time portals don't show up until after Barma
Thierry @Soleil no
Gooberbarbarian I theorized that you cold your soul to the devil for the power, but I'm probably wrong
Soleil Wow, thanks, that's pretty big.
Thierry @Gooberbarbarian because the shopkeeper did something to it to make you more attuned
Gooberbarbarian Oh ok
Thierry it changed hands for a short while, yeah?
GaidenGravity also, something we were confused about
When Phantom sent the scroll to humanity, did he send it to a different time?
Soleil wow it does become blue sparkly afterward
Thierry So, one Void, many alternate timelines
Gooberbarbarian What happened with the blue robes before the game started
Null Potato is the time puzzle we're after the answer to about predestination
Gooberbarbarian I have questions toooooooo
Gooberbarbarian Emote ptijus
Null Potato like when ninja goes back in time to save the riviere, was he always fated to do so, or did it split the timeline?
Thierry Paradoxes are possible depending on what you mean. They don't cause a space time collapse but can mess with the paradox beholder's mind
Thierry Like being your own shopkeeper
Thierry Hence the robes
Null Potato basically: bootstrap paradox or split timeline?
Thierry (no Shopkeeper isn't Ninja)
Spiderbenb How is the Timeline Structured anyways? Is it a straight line with branching paths or is it like a large spider web sort of deal? With the middle of the web being the demons attacking/scroll is made. The spider on the web being The Tower of Time.
Null Potato ok that's a pretty nice confirmation
GaidenGravity rip that fun theory lol
Gooberbarbarian Hah SPIDERweb
GaidenGravity It's a many timeliney boi
Null Potato hang on let me see if i can make a bad diagram
Spiderbenb I made this into a theory a little while ago.
Kammesennin Good question Spider. I forgot I even posted that web thing that one time
GaidenGravity I remember it
Spiderbenb I think it'd make sense from a certain standpoint and it'd explain how the tower moves around
Thierry @Spiderbenb I think any answer to that could be interpreted subjectively
Spiderbenb So that's a "Maybe"
Thierry The Tower is the time machine
Thierry You enter it every checkpoint
GaidenGravity This is a weird thing but
Does the Tower go to where it's needed most?
Gooberbarbarian WHEN
GaidenGravity Where and When
GaidenGravity I guess
Thierry It appears very briefly to grab Ninja and "fly" him to where (when, right?) he is needed
Thierry On, that, again, there is only one scroll
Thierry The Tower goes to the scroll
Thierry the scroll lets the bearer see the tears
Thierry which is how they first entered the void
Thierry the Void materialized as a way to balance the existence of all these alternate timelines
Thierry "anti-infinity"
Thierry +1 -1
Thierry so that balance is kept
Gooberbarbarian @Moderator please pin these
Gooberbarbarian Ooh like ani matter
GaidenGravity you could just ask
GaidenGravity the Thierry boi lol
Thierry I think the shopkeeper will need to tease some brains on the concept of infinity sometime during the DLC :p
Gooberbarbarian So the void prevents the universe from imploding from multiple timelines?
Soleil I think the fact that there's only 1 scroll is really big, because with so many alternate timelines you'd think there'd be multiple scrolls.
Thierry basically yes, but it's the natural response to it rather. If it's the same to you, yes
Thierry the music box is in the void, and there's only one void
GaidenGravity Yin and Yang
Spiderbenb So the story we see could be considered the "main story" because Ninja has the scroll.
Thierry so one scroll
Null Potato I'm still confused on time stuff
Spiderbenb Based off the fact that there is only ONE scroll in these timelines.
Null Potato so ninja goes back to save the butterfly
Spiderbenb unless i read that wrong
Boud Does it mean there weren't always multiple timelimes and they came into existance with the scroll?
Thierry oh the scroll can still be passed on to a messenger in another timeline
Thierry and that's where I hope you won't think I'm trolling lol
Gooberbarbarian Lol the blind run streamer just beat the game and is lost for words
GaidenGravity I'm laughing so hard rn
GaidenGravity because like
Null Potato if future ninja went back to the past before he saved the butterfly and waited until he would have beaten him, would he see himself?
Thierry @Boud not exactly
Spiderbenb And that's because assuming that The Tower of Time brings a Messenger to a timeline where a new Messenger is needed right?
Null Potato because the butterfly fight takes place in the future and past
Thierry it means that if something comes from the void, it's a single instance
GaidenGravity we asked for some stuff and just everything is both more and less confusing
but I'd never ask for anything less
Thierry @Spiderbenb where AND when, yes
Soleil The Music Box was at Forlorn Temple and then the Void. Emote thinking
Spiderbenb Where and When in the other parts of timeline exactly.
Thierry @Soleil I should have been more precise, it goes both ways
Thierry when something is commited to the void, it becomes canon across timelines
GaidenGravity o h
GaidenGravity so destroying the curse in the void
Thierry we're a bit ahead of ourselves though atm
Soleil Yeah, it's a lot to take in.
Thierry the Corrupted Future level
Thierry was almost called the Corrupted Void
Gooberbarbarian Yeet I got some people to join the discord
Thierry did you notice the starry background in the 8bit rectangle shapes?
Null Potato that makes sense
Null Potato yeah
Kammesennin Yeah
GaidenGravity I think so
Thierry and the assets for the moving spike walls through the 8bit lens?
Kammesennin Yup
Thierry any familiar?
Soleil Tower of Time spike blocks.
Kammesennin Tower
Spiderbenb That's The Tower of Time
Gooberbarbarian ToT
Thierry right
Null Potato woah woah woah
Thierry the only level without 8/16bit tansitions
Kammesennin Plus the connection between Tower and Corrupted on the map. Just always made me think both are Void.
Thierry it's stuck in 8bit (or past)
Thierry because what happens next, you gotta prevent
Soleil Tower of Time Spike Blocks
Thierry and you even had to go there to get one of the notes
Null Potato does that mean the corrupted future is canon across all timelines, and therefore inevitable?
GaidenGravity no
Thierry I'd give too much away by answering that directly
Null Potato ooh
Gooberbarbarian @Moderator please pin these things!!!
Spiderbenb So, Where and When does The Corrupted Future take place in the timeline?
Kammesennin I'm suspecting more about that dual infinities bit
Kammesennin Inevitable to happen and inevitable to prevent.
Kammesennin It both happened and was prevented in The Void.
GaidenGravity I don't think he can answer that either
Null Potato thank you, that's really big
Thierry the gist of it is you don't want your demons entering the void and taking ToT over
Coltaho Why don't you just copy down things you find pertinent and then pin that document? That's a lot of pins
Null Potato so the reason they want to take the tower is because taking it would make the events canon, I think
Null Potato ...that was probably already obvious
Thierry about time for bed here, but I can take one more
Spiderbenb Can it be about The Archivist? I'm curious about WHY he needed to Return to The Void. It begs the question of where he was if he was outside of the void.
Kammesennin Is there some semblance of accuracy to my theory on the dual perceptions of a single timeline? If you haven't read it I can post it again.
Gooberbarbarian I have a single question, if you are willing to answer
Spiderbenb (You can take Kamm's question, I feel like my question will be answered at some other point.)
Gooberbarbarian I'm waiting for Thierry to finish typing lol
Gooberbarbarian Thierry will u answer my question?
Thierry go ahead Goober
Thierry Kamme, please share again I'm not sure which anymore
Kammesennin Dual Perceptions Theory
Gooberbarbarian Did you intentionally design the scroll to look like scuba gear underwater, or was that just a result of the art Emote artificer ?
Kammesennin ruxxtLUL^
Thierry @Kammesennin every time there is a fork, both happen and become their own timeline. Carrying the scroll lets you create your own linear timeline
Gooberbarbarian Also who was responsible for the idea of pitou Pitou
Kammesennin Interesting
Kammesennin That's like Zelda in a way. Every time Link dies is canon, but an alternate universe/timeline.
Thierry @Gooberbarbarian totally unintentional lol
GaidenGravity sounds like time is p unstable
Gooberbarbarian Noice
Kammesennin Thanks!
Gooberbarbarian Everybody says it looks like ninja scuba-gear
Thierry Just as it happened locally for Ninja's story where he visited the Corrupted Future to give a sense why he had to win
Thierry The same applies for the big picture
Thierry The Archivist showed you Ninja's world, post-flood, post-appocalyptic, the future HE wants to prevent
Dime I wouldn't say full scuba gear

Dragon Ball Murasaki Snorkel

Gooberbarbarian Also will there be more ARG clues like TUWERA in the dlc?
Gooberbarbarian That was super cool
Spiderbenb indeed
Kammesennin Okay
Kammesennin That's something I totally glossed over this entire time.
Kammesennin It's been hard to break from Ninja's perspective on that one.
Gooberbarbarian That truly felt like memorable teamwork
Thierry I was going to give away more but I think it's enough for one day
Spiderbenb That's alright man, sounds like you need sleep.
Spiderbenb You gave us more than enough to look through.
Kammesennin You gave us quite a bit dude. Seriously appreciate it, and as much as I want more, I think I have enough to think on tonight. I'd hate to eat that whole elephant and be fat tomorrow with nothing to eat.
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldCL
Gooberbarbarian Thank you so much for everything Thierry!!!!!!!! Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah Emote ninjayeah
Soleil Thank you very much for everything you told us, there were some pretty big things.
GaidenGravity ^^
Thierry And you're on the right track, Ninja had a very meaningful encouter which we'll know more about in the future
GaidenGravity i'd say more good thngs about you but I need to shower
Null Potato Thank you from me as well
Gooberbarbarian You are amazing Emote ninjayeah
Spiderbenb You know I'll be doin' my usual theories from here on out. I think I'm close to getting a major theory correct. Emote stuck out tongue
Null Potato kinda ded due to no sleep tonight so I couldn't think straight though
Thierry Cheers everyone, and thank you for all being so active and positive and awesome, it really means a lot to the team. We'll put in our best effort for what's ahead!

Takeaways Edit

  • There is only 1 scroll.
  • Time portals don't show up until after you defeat Barma'thazël because The Shopkeeper did something to the scroll to make Ninja more attuned to it.
  • There is 1 Void and many alternate timelines.
  • Paradoxes don't cause a space-time collapse but can mess with the paradox beholder's mind. For example, becoming your own shopkeeper. That why the Order of the Blue Robes wears blue robes.
  • The Shopkeeper is not Ninja.
  • The Tower of Time is like a time machine. Ninja enters the Tower of Time at every checkpoint.
  • The Tower of Time appears briefly to grab Ninja and fly him to where (when) he is needed.
  • The Tower of Time goes to the scroll.
  • The Void materialized as a way to balance the existence of all these alternate timelines. It acts like an anti-infinity so that the balance is kept.
  • If something comes from The Void or enters The Void, it becomes canon across all timelines. It becomes a single instance of itself.
  • The Corrupted Future was almost named the "Corrupted Void." It is the only area in the game without 8-bit/16-bit transitions because it's stuck in 8-bit and the 16-bit version is what Ninja has to prevent.
  • Every time there is a fork in time, both happen and become their own timeline. Carrying the scroll lets you create your own linear timeline.
  • Just as Ninja visited the Corrupted Future to have scope on why he had to win, The Archivist shows the player Ninja's world, to give the player scope on the future The Archivist wants to be prevented.

February 12, 2019 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Gooberbarbarian BTW would he be known as the archivist or the alchemist to the blue robes? I'm not sure if he became the archivist after getting lost in the archives or wherever he is.
Gooberbarbarian Also, maybe instead of saying "main portal room" you could say portal nexus or portal hub
Gooberbarbarian Other than that, keep up the amazing work Phobekin
Thierry He would be known as The Archivist

Takeaways Edit

  • The Blue Robes know The Archivist as "The Archivist" rather than his previous moniker, "The Alchemist."

February 12, 2019 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Kammesennin https://twitter.com/sabotoy/status/1095061903955644426

Guile Pile Twitter Preview

Later
VeggieDelphine Is that the creature we would have seen had we voted for Emote voteTri before ?
Later
Thierry no, it would have been something bigger
Kammesennin Guile Pyramid Emote RuxxtLUL
GaidenGravity A bigger pile ?
VeggieDelphine their grumpy face is just so cute Emote cry
Thierry These are Voodkins. While they're certainly cousins to the Phobekins they're not driven by fear
Spiderbenb Are they driven by....Bravery?
Later
Kammesennin Or perhaps voodoo
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • There was a "Curiosity" VoteTri option Emote voteTri during a voting event with The Archivist, which would have revealed a creature from Voodkin Island ahead of time. It was not the winning option, but if did win, it would have revealed a creature bigger than a Guile Pile.
  • Voodkins are cousins to the Phobekins, but they are driven by voodoo rather than fear.

February 13, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil You know, the 4 statues we see, The Bowman, Phantom, Monk, Iron Hood. Only 3 of them seemed relevant game-wise to Ninja's journey. But The Iron Hood was actually important too if he made Ninja's Wingsuit and potentially Climbing Claws.
Soleil So maybe the tower showcases important figures specifically for that Messenger.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • The Tower of Time showcases important figures specifically for that Messenger.

February 18, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb I can't wait for the Picnic Panic to come out. I need that new Lore.
Kammesennin From the sounds of it, we won't learn anything useful from it.
Kammesennin But.. I bet we'll have fun with whatever it gives us regardless.
Spiderbenb Yee have little faith in The Sabotage Team.
Kammesennin No
Kammesennin I have plenty of faith in them
Kammesennin I just remember more or less what Thierry said about the DLC things
Kammesennin And that was that there wouldn't really be any useful lore in them, they're just for expanding the fun of Ninja's game.
Spiderbenb Or...The Archivist specifically told them that in case we see something important.
Spiderbenb Emote ninjaponder
Kammesennin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Spiderbenb I believe we will see something important.
Kammesennin Or at least important to us.
Spiderbenb Indeed
Thierry There's shenanigans on the horizon for sure, but it relates to Ninja's perspective only
Thierry Ninja's contribution to the big picture is already complete

Takeaways Edit

  • Reiterating that Picnic Panic will not be lore-intensive.

February 23, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry Re: poor phobekins
Thierry Pretty sure RDE meant poor them for getting kidnapped at the picnic
Thierry On Ruxxtin's skull- Picnic Panic takes place in an alternate timeline, so alternate Ruxxtin
Spiderbenb Thierry droppin' dat info.
Thierry It's mostly a mirror of Ninja's timeline, but only Ninja himself is from Ninja's timeline
Thierry Unless of course, someone has enough speed to hop between timelines without the use of the scroll or portals Emote wink
Clappj So it's an alternate timeline where the ninja never existed?
Thierry Him specifically, no
Boo GODSPEED
Spiderbenb Is that...
Spiderbenb A hint?
Thierry People can still scry into other timelines though
Thierry So alternate Ruxxtin could know of him (free hint since you all did notice his orb)

Takeaways Edit

  • Picnic Panic takes place in an alternate timeline, and the Ruxxtin in the Picnic Panic trailer is also an alternate version of Ruxxtin.
  • Ninja's original timeline and the alternate timeline are almost identical. Ninja and Barma'thazël traverse from the original timeline to the alternate timeline, though, so Ninja and Barma'thazël aren't alternates.
  • Ruxxtin's lab has a green crystal ball, confirmed to be a scrying orb. This may be linked to how alternate Ruxxtin knows about Ninja.

February 24, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil Also, there's only ever 1 scroll.
Soleil If Ninja goes there, carrying the scroll.
Soleil That means no Messenger exists in that universe carrying the scroll.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • Like mentioned by Thierry on February 7, 2019, there is only 1 scroll.
  • If Ninja goes to the Picnic Panic timeline, carrying the scroll, that means no Messenger exists in that universe carrying the scroll.

March 19, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

OHSHIET Is The Primal Fear he or it?
Thierry haha
Thierry I don't really know
Thierry It's probably in Monk's book somewhere, but I don't have it
OHSHIET So it does exist
OHSHIET Probably not such of a tidbit
Thierry Well she didn't curse herself
Clappj Do any of those books talk about greed demons
OHSHIET moving to the next question...
Clappj the way they work is kind of a mystery right now
OHSHIET I imagine The Archivist sitting at his office and thinking about THE LOOOOREEE
Thierry Probably @Clappj. I've only been to The Archives once and really didn't know what I was getting into so I didn't look around much.
Thierry Not like I understood those runes anyway at that time
Thierry Then we received clear instructions and Ninja's book
Thierry To this day it's still all we have
Vascos @Thierry I think it's pretty common not to ask for release dates for indie titles Emote thinking
Vascos Because even if you get a release date it's usually not met
Clappj Hmm, well you seem to know the archivist a lot better than most of us. Do you think he might revisit his library and share some more books with us when the time comes?
Thierry Alright, let's be common then
Thierry I'll check with @SaboMiko I know he went an additional time to review the alphabet but I know for sure he didn't get more lore tidbits
Thierry The only thing we know for sure is that The Archivist has already selected the second book he wants us to tell the story of
Thierry But we have no clue as to what it is
OHSHIET Archivist could do like some sort of interesting stuff, so people and Ninjas would really communicate to decipher his codes
Kammesennin He tried some interesting stuff, but we kept voting wrong Ruxxtin2
Later
Thierry I don't know that you voted wrong, I think The Archivist meant to genuinely go with what's interesting to most
Later
Thierry but yeah, seems like he passed the torch to the concierge for now..

Takeaways Edit

  • SaboTeam only have clear instructions from The Archivist and Ninja's book. They don't have any other books from The Archives.
  • The Archivist has selected the 2nd book he wants SaboTeam to tell a story of, but SaboTeam doesn't know what it is yet.
  • The Archivist has been temporarily replaced with the Clockwork Concierge for ARG-related activities.

March 22, 2019 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil Also poor Clockwork Concierge.
Soleil Trying so subtly with easy questions then a question literally no one could know from just playing the game normally.
Soleil Then back to an easy question.
Soleil Blink twice if you need help, Clockwork. Emote fearful
Thierry Yeah, it's kind of weird to be moderating a mod tbh
Thierry It's kind of hard too, cause we don't fully understand the concierge's background
Thierry He's the only one other than The Archivist who was there before the flood
Soleil Just let him say what he wants but put a spoiler tag on it, that will solve everything. Emote ccwut
Stéphanie BEFORE THE FLOOD
Stéphanie You were right
Stéphanie Soleil
Thierry ha! I don't know Soleil, The Archivist had very clear instructions for us
Soleil Darn
Thierry (maybe we're the ones who should blink twice :p)
Soleil ?!
Spiderbenb Blink Twice if you need help Saboteam.
SaboSclout Emote eye Emote eye - - Emote eye Emote eye - -

Takeaways Edit

  • The Archivist and the Clockwork Concierge are the only characters that existed before the flood.
  • SaboTeam might be held hostage by The Archivist. This is why SaboTeam is forced to delete Clockwork Concierge's spoiler-related posts about unreleased story content.

March 22, 2019 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb Kamme wants a note to be made.
Thierry a note?
Spiderbenb Shopkeeper explicitly says "We gave you a scroll." in reference to Shopkeeper flipping out over Ninja not having a map.
Spiderbenb "We" is what caught his attention given it was just Bowman that gave him The Scroll.
Thierry That is correct
Thierry The order is waging and strategizing in this timeless war
Thierry They plan what happens to the best of their ability
Thierry So, the shot was called for Bowman to take the scroll asap to the ninja village
OHSHIET Oho is that a lore Tidbit
Thierry That's what the "we" means
Spiderbenb Gotcha. Emote thumbsup
Kyleberry Like when Soldier died..
OHSHIET Is This Lore?
Clappj Hmm, so the order just kind of recruits messengers that seem to be valuable warriors?
OHSHIET Thierry another lore tidbit when
Clappj Like... they go and cherry pick them
Thierry Well, Bowman was late right?
Thierry If the scroll takes you to a dimension or time period you don't belong to
Kyleberry Seems like Ninja was late too
Spiderbenb I just assumed he grabbed a coffee and was running late.
Thierry Only it gets to stay there
Thierry The moment you give it up you disappear no?
Thierry Happened to bowman
Thierry Happened to ninja
Clappj Ohh... The scroll decides, not the tower?
Thierry So the ideal scenario for bowman would have been "hey, there IS time to explain, sit down"
Thierry But alas, there was no time to explain
OHSHIET Hmmm. The Shopkeeper did have time to explain, no?
OHSHIET If you know what I mean
Stéphanie Emote ninjaponder
OHSHIET Ruxxtin2 Ruxxtin2 Ruxxtin2
Soleil And that left poor Ninja giving the worst possible explanation to Soldier.
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldCL
Zeo The shopkeeper may not have thought Ninja was worth the explanation?
Later
Zeo Just like with the Scrying orb.
Zeo (Oops)
Later
Zeo I still feel Ninja coming the whole way without having read the map, somehow has something to do with him being 'The Chosen One' ironically his own obliviousness that the Shopkeeper ridicules him for, is what made him the perfect fit?
Later
Thierry You can also consider it from the shopkeeper's perspective, how many messengers has it been?
Later
Thierry And at which point do you have to stop caring in order to survive emotionally
Later
Thierry Like an army general who won't bother remembering a rookie's name, you gotta survive a few battles before they care, they just lose too many

Takeaways Edit

  • The Blue Robes sent The Bowman to deliver the scroll to Ninja Village as quickly as possible. When The Shopkeeper mentions, "We gave you a scroll," to Ninja, The Shopkeeper uses "we" to refer to the collective group of the Order of the Blue Robes.
  • The Bowman arrived late to Ninja Village. Ideally, The Bowman was supposed to give Ninja a proper explanation, but he had no time.
  • If the scroll takes its carrier to a dimension or time period that the carrier doesn't belong to, only the scroll gets to stay there. The moment the carrier gives up the scroll, the carrier disappears. This scenario happened to both The Bowman and to Ninja.
  • The Shopkeeper acts detached since so many people have died during the timeless war, and it's too emotionally taxing to care about each new person unless they've survived for a good while.

March 26, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Spiderbenb But we all know that Sabomart = The Archivist
Spiderbenb (I'm not giving up on this one.)
Thierry Can confirm this one's a no

Takeaways Edit

  • SaboMart is not The Archivist.

March 29, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

OHSHIET Is there any connection between Artif and Monk?
OHSHIET I mean
OHSHIET Dialogues
OHSHIET Like maybe they don't know each other
Later
Thierry
Artificer has some connection to Monk
Later
Thierry
Artificer is also not (and has never been) a human

Takeaways Edit

  • The Artificer has some connection to Monk.
  • The Artificer is not, and has never been, a human.

April 2, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Babushka My first concern was about the ending scene with Cowboy and Shopkeeper. I was thinking, why is he carrying the scroll if we lifted the curse and stuff?
Babushka But the answer is under Cowboys wiki page
Babushka Hmm kinda. Now I'm thinking: what is Cowboys goal?
Babushka Is Cowboy having similar goal to Ninja's?
Babushka How destroying the music box affects Cowboy's story? Could he be from a timeline before Ninja's?
Babushka But if there can be hundreds of timelines, there is only one void (right?) and whatever happens with void has an effect in every timeline (yes,no?)
Later
Thierry Yo Babushka I'm pretty sure Cowboy is told about the Mask's curse and how it was broken
Thierry It doesn't mean the scroll gets destroyed, or that there can't be carriers of it anymore to put its power to use for other reasons

Takeaways Edit

  • The scroll is not destroyed after the events of The Messenger.
  • Even though the Mask's curse is broken, there can still be carriers who use the scroll's power for other reasons.

April 7, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The Shopkeeper sees adventurers one at a time

Takeaways Edit

  • The Shopkeeper sees adventurers one at a time.

April 20-21, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Gamma Fithteen So how come in Rivière Turquoise when you time travel it goes from sad to happy?
Gamma Fithteen I know there was a messenger who fixes it and I know it's implied to be Monk but she was evil at that time so who fixed everything?
Gamma Fithteen (I also know the shopkeeper admits to it being a plothole but I want answer ;n;)
Kammesennin Monk wasn't evil when she fixed everything.
Gamma Fithteen but in the past she is evil and you don't take the evil out of her until right after that stage or sometime after
Kammesennin It's... complicated.
Gamma Fithteen Ah I see
Gamma Fithteen I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
Thierry Hey! This may or may not be explored later. Simply put, she did "plant the seed" that would heal Rivière Turquoise, but that process took a long time and didn't require anything more from her.

Takeaways Edit

April 29, 2019 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The denizens of the tower all wear blue robes
Thierry The reason for that is related to why ToT is configured depending on who it appears for
Later
Thierry So the tower (gauntlet form, not HQ later)
Thierry Has two purposes
Later
Thierry First to push a Messenger to the limit and kill them if they're not the one so that the scroll isn't lost to the demons later (please excuse Quarble here for gameplay reasons, canon ToT would be no Quarble + permadeath)
Thierry And second to prevent the integrity of their minds in the event that they are the one
Thierry (mind and or sanity not sure which is the best english word here)
Later
Thierry The Void is kind of big thing to fathom and take in, so providing a frame and familliarity helps Messengers make it through relatively undisturbed

Takeaways Edit

  • The Tower of Time challenge pushes a Messenger to their limit and kills them if they are unworthy, to prevent the scroll being lost to the demons later.
  • The canon Tower of Time runthrough would involve no Quarble + permadeath. Quarble's presence in the Tower of Time for gameplay purposes should be disregarded.
  • The Void is a big thing to fathom, so the Tower of Time protects the sanity of Messengers as they travel through the Tower. It provides a frame and familiarity that helps Messengers make it through the challenge relatively undisturbed.

April 29, 2019 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry As revealed recently, Ninja did not fight the actual Demon King
Later
Thierry Barma'thazel did activate plan B after seeing how capable he was, though
Thierry (ninja)
Later
Soleil So if the Demon King is actually locked up in Clockwork Castle.
Soleil And the Demon King in Forlorn Template is a weak copy.
Soleil temple
Later
Soleil Then is the Demon King during the assaults on Ninja Village and Soldier Village also the copy?
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • As revealed by the Clockwork Concierge in the ARG, Ninja did not fight the actual Demon King, and the remnants of the true Demon King are locked up in Clockwork Castle.
  • The Demon King copy fought in Forlorn Temple is the same copy that initiates the assault on 8-bit and 16-bit Ninja Village.

May 6, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Stéphanie I wonder what would his voice sound like
Stéphanie beep boop I'm not a robot I'm a fellow human gamer
Kammesennin Emote ccwut Hello fellow human gamers.
Babushka Concierge sounds like a friend
Babushka Emote emeraldYearn
Boo Of course Concierge is a friend
Stéphanie We need a legendary voice actor for him
Babushka I mean I bet his voice sounds like a friend
Later
Spiderbenb Clocko may be a robot, but he should have some free will.
Stéphanie Well what kinda robot would be able to feel stuff but not to have free will
Kammesennin Sounds like a robot from 20XX
Babushka Emote pensive
Babushka I dunno, I just want Clocko to be happy
Stéphanie It would be terrible
Stéphanie You realize that you can't do what you want
Thierry To be fair, Clocko does have free will, he's just under the same NDA as every SaboTeam member
Thierry We all trust The Archivist. Concierge get a bit excited sometimes and tends to be clumsy
Thierry But again, he means well!
Babushka Bless Concierge's mechanical heart
  • Thierry react: Emote manfredH
Thierry re: voice. He has a British accent
Babushka I WAS RIGHT
  • Thierry react: Emote 100
Thierry well, sort of
Stéphanie YES
Babushka I always imagined him with british accent
Babushka Just fits so well!
Babushka Emote manfredH Emote manfredH Emote manfredH
Thierry A bit haughty sometimes, but all around a very caring person
Thierry person?
Thierry anyway
Thierry great guy

Takeaways Edit

  • Clockwork Concierge is under the same NDA as SaboTeam, which is why some of his messages about unreleased lore content get deleted.
  • Clockwork Concierge has free will.
  • Clockwork Concierge sort of has a British accent.

May 21-22, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil So after Ninja fights Barma'thazel, the room collapses and he falls down into a river of lava/magma idk which is the right word.
Soleil But then he gets saved at the last second by Manfred.
Soleil But if Manfred didn't catch Ninja, wouldn't Quarble just revive Ninja?
Soleil Like, I guess it's supposed to be like, the whole entire floor with the shop checkpoint and Barma'thazel's room are supposed to have collapsed too, but also like
Soleil There's a glitch where if you reload the game, you can return to those rooms as if nothing happened.
Soleil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VmZVD32wNg

Underworld Glitch Video Thumbnail

Soleil And the fact that you can't ever return to those rooms legitimately in either 8-bit or 16-bit.
Soleil So those rooms should really be "destroyed" even though game-wise they are still there and intact.
Soleil So does that mean like, if Quarble attempted to revive Ninja, there would be no checkpoint for Ninja to return to? Because most likely the shop checkpoint before Barma'thazel would be the one he warps back to, but it would have probably been destroyed.
Later
Spiderbenb Speaking of which.
Spiderbenb The map itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it? With Ninja being in the Underworld east side of the island and suddenly being on the west. Either planet is VERY small or the underworld is built in such a way that it extends the entire bottom of the island and you actually move in a reverse direction towards the west.
Spiderbenb Because Cloud Ruins is above Glacial Peak on the far East of the island.
Later
Thierry yo Soleil that's very close to "because gameplay" territory
Later
Thierry but yeah, basically on that one
Later
Thierry Quarble takes you back in time BEFORE you die
Thierry so
Thierry it'd be an infinite loop of winning the fight only to fall again
Thierry logically perhaps you would know and try something else then, but yeah :p
Thierry that's where were very close to "because gameplay"
heather hey thierry while ur here
Spiderbenb I got nothing to add. I will accept this. "Because Gameplay." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
heather did you write all the dialogue in the game
Soleil I see, so the fact that you defeated Barma'thazel wouldn't have saved.
Thierry also intro cutscenes should replay fully every time but we're not evil Emote emeraldCL
Soleil Along with the room collapsing.
Thierry yes Heather, every word
heather what was your favorite part to write?
Later
heather and is there anything you could recite from memoryy
Thierry about the island looping, maybe it doesn't come off as clearly as intended
Thierry but Manfred fly up and to the right before exiting above the sea
Thierry so looking at the moutain from the east side, there would be a big tunnel entrance leading to the underworld at the base
Thierry you basically fly out of that
Thierry after falling inside a similar hole from the cloud ruins
Thierry which fun fact there was almost a "falling level" to cover that part
Thierry well not almost, it was brushed off very quickly
Thierry but yeah
Thierry probably, Heather
Thierry also maybe not
heather that probably would have been cool if it had made it in (and not been too long)
Thierry it lives in my head for a long time but by the time it comes out I'm usually over it
heather immersive gameplay
heather oooh i get what you mean by that
Spiderbenb Falling level in DLC when? Emote smirk
Soleil I think it's clear that Ninja and Manfred leave the Underworld from the east side of the island, but they keep flying eastward and reach the west Ninja Village in 1 night which would be super-quick.
Thierry "and then you basically fly so far east that you basically come back to the beginning, from the west, but in the future" is probably the phrase I used the most while pitching the game
Later
Thierry that and "there's no double-jump BUT-"
Later
Soleil That's interesting that hypothetically dying brings Ninja to a point in time before he truly defeated Barma'thazel.
Soleil Because iirc, you keep Power Seals even after you die.
Soleil So it's like you keep them/they break forever even after you get warped back.
Soleil And then what of Queen of Quills?
Soleil Time itself doesn't reverse and she gets warped away.
Later
Soleil If Quillble and Quarble functioned in the same way, the fight would just happen again, right? Unless Queen of Quills decided not to go to that arena.
Soleil But from Ninja's perspective, he fought Queen of Quills, then she disappeared.
Soleil If Ninja falling and dying being an infinite loop is a thing, then infinite Queen of Quills fight loop should be a thing.
Later
Soleil So then what should happen is that time reverses, then Ninja should just walk through the Queen of Quills's room with her not there / or she tries to fight him again / or she's there and doesn't try to fight him.
Soleil Unless Ninja having the scroll prevents him from getting reversed.
Later
Soleil So it still seems like "because Emote importantmessage " as the all-purpose solution here.
Thierry Because scroll, yeah
Thierry It sort of branches the carrier out to write their own timeline
Thierry Or rather, the scroll's perspective is canon

Takeaways Edit

  • Quarble takes you back in time before you die.
  • Ninja doesn't go back in time when Quillble revives the Queen of Quills because Ninja was carrying the scroll.
  • The scroll's perspective is canon.

May 29, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry How do you reckon a key forms?
Stéphanie Well, they are made out of all sorts of energy
Stéphanie Strengh, Love, etc.
Stéphanie And they are needed to break the curse
Thierry It's one of these where I was hoping it would come across more clearly
Thierry A key is cristalized either when a specific emotion repeats enough times
Thierry Or when a specific event has a big enough ripple effect
Thierry And they represent the world's intention to save itself
Stéphanie Then revenge would be like... A revenge against demons?
Soleil Love came from the Guardian Gods themselves, so whatever produced the Revenge note had serious revenge feelings. Emote ninjaponder
Thierry Revenge wasn't obtained by Ninja
Stéphanie But Hope came from everyone
Stéphanie I mean humans
Soleil Yeah, could be a group.
Stéphanie Yeah Revenge and adventure were obtained by someone else
Stéphanie Another Messenger
Thierry It was revenge alright, wish it weren't too early to get into that Emote grimacing
Stéphanie Wait what if
Stéphanie It's from a future where demons win
Stéphanie And the remaining humans are just frustrated and mad that they lost
Soleil With the world wanting to save itself, you would think all of the music notes would be positive emotions.
Soleil But Chaos kinda leans in a different direction.
Later
Thierry You save youself by integrating your shadow along with the good
Gooberbarbarian Emote thinking
Thierry The world gives up its utopia fantasy and embraces reality, the good along with the bad
Gooberbarbarian "Integrating you shadow"?
Thierry It's ok if it doesn't make sense Emote stuck out tongue
Gooberbarbarian Emote thinking Emote thinking Emote thinking
Stéphanie Ohhh
Soleil It kinda does, they all mix together and form a full song.
Gooberbarbarian Reminds me of something......
Gooberbarbarian Emote mess8
Thierry Point is, chaos is part of the genuine whole
Gooberbarbarian Emote nobushbarm Emote keyofchaos Emote nobushbarm
Thierry If by full song you mean balance, that's the metaphor yes
Stéphanie But who's emotions made the key of Chaos
Gooberbarbarian This is deep Emote matriarch
Soleil "Nature's attempt to contain the Underworld's endless mayhem, it is one of the notes needed to create a melody that will break the curse."
Soleil So it's just a really powerful force of nature?
Stéphanie Nature's a person now
Gooberbarbarian Nature tried reverting itself after the demon army attack through the music notes Emote ninjaponder
Soleil Thierry said repeated emotion or big event.
Gooberbarbarian Gooberbarbarian's Thought
Stéphanie Oh yeah of course
Soleil Okay I'm like totally misquoting so just scroll up.
Thierry Reccurence or especially high intensity is more accurate
Later
Soleil Also it's still so beautiful that it's all a metaphor.
Soleil They seem so discordant from each other, but they form a song in harmony.
Stoopid Unikorn Just like life itself?
Soleil Like the universe singing.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • A Music Note crystallizes either when a specific emotion repeats enough times, or when a specific event has a big enough ripple effect / especially high intensity.
  • The Music Notes represent the world's intention to save itself.
  • Ninja was not the Messenger who obtained the Key of Revenge.
  • In its effort to save itself, the world gives up on its utopia fantasy and embraces reality, the good along with the bad. Even though Chaos could be potentially viewed as one of the more negative Notes, it is part of a genuine whole.
  • The notes of contrasting characteristics form a balance together.

June 21, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil [12:48 PM] TheDarkist: messenger souls get claimed by the void
[12:48 PM] TheDarkist: you belong to the void
dude
Soleil That's like so sad.
Soleil Being a Messenger is almost like sacrificing yourself.
Soleil Or I guess conscripting yourself into the timeless war.
Soleil But it's weird 'cuz sometimes the Blue Robes dudes sometimes leave?
Soleil Like at the top of Glacial Peak.
Soleil And Shopkeeper visiting you on his blue block thing for your first Power Seal.
Soleil Maybe they really can't go back if the Tower goes to the scroll, but then
Soleil Idk, what if the Tower just flies off without 'em like "bye"
Soleil Do they just get yeeted back into the Tower or something?
Thierry To be more precise, it's not an auto teleport back to the void, shoppy did it to protect ninja
Thierry If you don't mind not holding me accountable to arbitrary numbers, it's something like time stops in the void but you still owe that time somehow, and being out of the void makes you age 1 year per minute, so if you spent more than 60 years in the void you basically have one hour to spend outside before you die of natural causes
Thierry again arbitrary numbers, but I should have said something along those lines to be more clear
Soleil Emote quarbleO
Thierry does it make sense Emote emeraldCL
Soleil So if I take 9 hours to reach Glacial Peak, they're all old men?
GaidenGravity Emote leaflul yes
Thierry again arbitrary numbers
Soleil But yeah wow
Later
Thierry My grandma always said that the way to eat a whole elephant is one bite at a time. If you sit there until you find a way to down it in one shot you'll never get anything done.
GaidenGravity t h e r e s t h a t l i n e a g a i n
Thierry Veganism aside we're sort of doing that with The Archivist's world
Thierry it's too big to tell so we got hints and story arcs and all
Thierry It's an important line Gaiden!
Thierry To me at least :p
Later
Soleil Wait so like if Shopkeeper can just teleport people like Ninja back into the tower, then why are they waiting on Glacial Peak? Seems like a waste to have everyone out there just solely for greeting newbies. I mean it was hypothetically mentioned that they couldn't go back inside the tower for a mysterious reason, but Bowman's teleported out of Ninja Village like nothing. Unless he's not getting teleported back to the tower.
Later
Thierry Soleil the gist of it is the shopkeeper wasn't in the tower while waiting atop glacial peak
Thierry We touched on points of view being relative some time ago
Thierry Basically, while Ninja's in Autumn Hills, shoppy still needs him to get to glacial peak in order for the autumn hills shop moment to actually happen
Thierry To the shopkeeper it happened after
Thierry I don't know how to explain this any more clearly, hopefully it makes sense Emote emeraldCL
Later
Soleil I know these are abritrary numbers but.
Soleil so if you spent more than 60 years in the void you basically have one hour to spend outside before you die of natural causes
Soleil Timeline 2 with Words
Soleil So like there were some Blue Robes dudes with like hundreds of years under their belt.
Soleil And if they were all forced out of the void, then all that time caught up to them.
Soleil Text Excerpt Scroll is Map
Soleil Ninja took maybe a couple of days to reach the top of Glacial Peak.
Soleil But it's weird that if summoning the tower was so dire so everyone could get back inside the void that Bowman or someone else couldn't summon the tower?
Later
Thierry Ok two things
Thierry I really meant arbitrary, we don't have specifics (yet?). Maybe a millenia in the void means you have 50 years left, I used 1 year = 1 minute for clarity
Thierry The other thing is, I'm not sure of the best phrasing, but the tower only appears for who it's meant to appear for
Chacw Right place right time sort of deal?
Thierry It became bigger than the order really fast, at this point it's almost readig tot's instinct, they do their best to pass the scroll to the one who's meant to have it
Later
Thierry (Now the demons believe they have a plan to circumvent that, but that's a story for another time)
Later
Spiderbenb So. How does the tower appear for a Messenger if said Messenger predates The Tower itself? I know you got that...Time Travel Shenanigans going on, but like...how?
Later
Thierry Great question Spider, but for now I must chuck that one in "I hope we get to build the next thing and you can one day look back on our first title through the lens of the big picture"
Thierry It's not like we've deplete the first game's lore, but on some threads we're just missing too much context for it to make sense
Thierry The big one is still hiding in plain sight, though
GaidenGravity We're missing something?
Spiderbenb It sounds just like that, but I'll just assume you got a big ol' book of lore that's just really hard to translate right now.
Thierry At your convenience, please buy the letter H

Takeaways Edit

  • After Ninja hands the scroll over to Soldier, Ninja is teleported back to the shop by The Shopkeeper in order to protect him.
  • Time is stopped in The Void, but you still owe it that time somehow. If you've been committed to The Void and then go outside of The Void, you age at an accelerated rate until that debt is paid. An arbitrary example is aging 1 year per minute spent outside The Void, so if you spent more than 60 years in The Void, you have only 1 hour to spend outside before dying to natural causes. Another arbitrary example is that maybe a millennia in The Void means you have 50 years left outside of it.
  • From Ninja's perspective, Ninja first met The Shopkeeper in an Autumn Hills shop. From The Shopkeeper's perspective, The Shopkeeper encountered Ninja at the top of Glacial Peak before encountering him in the Autumn Hills shop. The Shopkeeper still needs to guide Ninja to the top of Glacial Peak in order for the Autumn Hills shop meeting to happen.
  • The Tower of Time only appears for who it's meant to appear for. The Tower became bigger than the Order and took a mind of its own. Now the Order does their best to react to the Tower of Time's instinct and to pass on the scroll to the one who's meant to have it.
  • Thierry mentions there's an undiscovered big piece of lore hiding in plain sight.
  • Thierry hints that "The Letter H" shop upgrade in the Discord shop branch holds importance.

July 12, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry there's a lot to digest still and we'll have deeper conversations in due time
Thierry but there is only one Monk
Stéphanie OH THAT EXPLAINS A LOT
KreuzKoenigin Emote monkyeah
Stéphanie That's why you showed us how Elder doesn't remember Ninja
Thierry good catch
Later
JustDenys1 WHAT??? But how our Monk teleported in PP?
Later
Thierry @JustDenys1 that question goes the other way around

Takeaways Edit

  • There's only one Monk. Monk in Picnic Panic is the same Monk Ninja meets during the main game.
  • Monk eventually teleports from the Picnic Panic timeline and into Ninja's timeline.

July 17, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Storme the Cat I think in most media where time travel exists the terms "timeline," "universe," and "dimension" seem to be interchangable. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Thierry hey, if that's confusing, we should be good with "timelines" only
Storme the Cat gasp!
Storme the Cat Good to know!
Thierry what is mentioned by "fighting us across time, but space too" (referring to multiverses which I agree can be confusing)
Thierry basically means
Thierry things happen on Ninja's timeline with time travel going back and forth to different moments on it
Thierry but there's also alternate ones which run in parallel
Thierry so in the maingame you hop back and forth 500 years on Ninja's timeline
Thierry when leaving for Picnic Panic you side-step to another one, and then hop back and forth on it 500 years
Storme the Cat Time travel really is whack like that
Thierry there's a legit cause to all of it. I hope we make it there someday
Matehiqu while you are here can i ask why shoppy was surprised that ninja managed to summon the ToT
Ze0n I hope we make it there too!
Ze0n Also: then the meeting one’s alternate self is related to meeting a past or future self?
Thierry A simple lapse in cynicism, swatted almost instantly
Thierry lapse of?
Thierry Anyway, Shoppy lost fate a while ago

Takeaways Edit

  • The line, "The demons are not only fighting us across time, but across space, too," refers to multiverses, which can be confusing. To make things easier to understand, it can be described simply as "timelines" only. In the main game, Ninja travels back and forth 500 years within his own timeline. When leaving for Picnic Panic, he side-steps into another timeline, and again he travels back and forth on it in an interval of 500 years.
  • There's a legit cause for events leading up to this, which future installments should build upon.
  • The Shopkeeper experiences a very brief lapse of cynicism after Ninja summons the Tower of Time at the top of Glacial Peak, illustrated by his surprise. Anyway, The Shopkeeper lost faith a while ago.

July 27, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Matehiqu if a greed demon could be sent back through time to save the messenger from death, ninja failing to send quarble to soldier wouldn't be any problem
Later
Stéphanie In his world, he gets called by Shoppy when Ninja dies
Stéphanie But Shoppy has like 10 secs to do it
Matehiqu Shoppy is also outside of time isn't he?
Stéphanie Kinda? Yeah
Stéphanie But the orb has to be synchronised with Ninja
Stéphanie thierry help
Matehiqu it's kinda weird that even though Quarble has a space-time manipulation ring and both Quarble and Shoppy are outside of time this time limit for saving the messenger exists
Later
Thierry Not clear on the question, but timelines form "procedurally" and you have a bit of time to affect them before they commit to what happened, kinda like concrete?
Thierry I don't know if that makes sense, but the Voidwalker should bring some clarity when we get to that ARG arc. The main characters have been hiding in plain sight for a while

Takeaways Edit

  • Timelines form "procedurally," and you have a bit of time to affect them before they commit to what happened, kind of like concrete. This is (probably) why Quarble must be sent within 10 seconds to save a Messenger from a permanent death.
  • The Voidwalker role in the ARG should bring some clarity at a later date. The main characters have been hiding in plain sight for a while.

July 29, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Soleil Clockwork Concierge existed before the flood, and it might not be possible to time travel to a point earlier than the scroll's creation.
  • Thierry react: Emote 100

Takeaways Edit

  • Clockwork Concierge existed before the flood, and it's probably not possible to time travel to a point earlier than the scroll's creation.

August 7, 2019 (#1) Edit

Conversation Edit

Ninetales I thought Shoppy said PP was technically not cannon though?
Matehiqu PP is totally canon
Stéphanie If PP isn't canon
Soleil I think that one line by Shopkeeper is to assuage people who are confused by some of the lore in Picnic Panic.
Stéphanie Then Monk doesn't exist
Soleil Shopkeeper Orb Dialogue
Soleil so it's still canon
Stéphanie Obviously it is canon!
Soleil But some stories do do that thing where it was like, it was all a dream, or it was an alternate timeline that doesn't matter, sort of thing.
Kyleberry Barma'thazël will just be a dream when we're done with him Ruxxtin2
Soleil Emote phobekinS
Thierry If it says it's not canon it's a mistake
Thierry but it doesn't say that
Thierry it's just too complex to explain to lore casuals you know
Stéphanie That line was to say that PP is just a side quest or something I guess ?
Thierry it was just to send you off like hey don't think too much of it it's just a bit of fun
Thierry but it is very much canon
Soleil Emote hatmartin
Nintetales what is the big picture... that keeps being brought up. xd
Kyleberry Whatever it is, I hope it cloudsteps
Thierry I'm also suprised at the lack of Emote wallaxer talk
Stéphanie Oh yeah!
Soleil Wallaxers are important...?
Thierry it's such a beautiful breadcrumb
Thierry quite obvious too
Soleil It is one of the few enemies on both islands.
Kyleberry Emote Pog
Stéphanie Yeah I thought it was hilarious that they are litterally walls in PP
Thierry one of the few?
Soleil There was normal Birdy in the Dark Messenger room.
Thierry what
Later
Thierry calling SaboFIL...
Soleil skeleton bird in one of the chase rooms instead of the tropical bird
Later
Kyleberry true I just thought it was tropical without its tropical bits Emote dukebrHehe
Stéphanie Wait
Soleil I thought it was a normal bird that died.
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldS
Stéphanie YOU'RE RIGHT
Stéphanie THE SPOOKY BIRDS
Kyleberry Bony Hawk!
Thierry so that's a mistake

Takeaways Edit

August 7, 2019 (#2) Edit

Conversation Edit

Thierry The Voodkins are like children throwing snowballs at big trucks, they have their little imaginary world where they fight you
Thierry But you're not fighting them
Thierry that was the intention, at least

Takeaways Edit

  • Voodkins live in a little imaginary world where they fight you but you're not fighting them.

August 8, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

Stéphanie I mean I remember the fact that Ninja was supposed to
open the rifts in Elemental Skylands
but I don't think it's a big deal
Thierry
Sunken Shrine and Music Box too to be canon
Stéphanie REALLY ?
Stéphanie Woah nice
Thierry Basically anywhere he was the first to go

Takeaways Edit

  • Like revealed by Thierry on October 30, 2018, Ninja was originally supposed to place frames around the time rifts of Elemental Skylands and the Music Box since he was the first Messenger to ever explore those areas, but this feature didn't make it into the final game. Along with Elemental Skylands and the Music Box, Ninja was the first ever Messenger to visit the Sunken Shrine.

August 25, 2019 Edit

Conversation Edit

VcMc Wait about Manfred didn't Ruxxtin mention him and his internship?
VcMc Or am I remembering incorrectly?
chemosha yes Ruxxtin told about Manfred and CC
VcMc Like i remember Ninja mentioning that he could just ask Manfred but Ruxxtin said no
VcMc Yeah!
chemosha i played it again recently
chemosha but i dunno how it sounds in english but yeah he mentioned them
VcMc But Ruxxtin seemed like he knew that Ninja knew about the internship Emote ninjaponder
chemosha Emote ninjaponder
Stéphanie Ruxxtin2 was talking about our Clocky and Manfred for sure
VcMc So either PP Manfred and Clocky exist or PP Ruxxtin knows about alternate dimensions
VcMc I cant tell which is more likely
Stéphanie Ruxxtin2 knows you
Stéphanie Orb
Stéphanie Perhaps
VcMc Ohhhh
VcMc Hmmm
Stéphanie Well he knows about you or else he wouldn't be there waiting for you
VcMc That's true
VcMc So it's probably just that Ruxxtin2 knows about alternate dimensions
VcMc Or he could've been told by Shoppy Emote ninjaponder Emote ninjaponder Emote ninjaponder
Stéphanie Or maybe
Stéphanie Ruxx2 met a Messenger who told him about Ninja
Stéphanie "The branching paths mentioned by the Prophet"
VcMc Ooooo
Stéphanie Monk ? Hmmmmmmmmmm???????????????
Stéphanie Wait that would make sense
Stéphanie Or would it
Stéphanie Monk is weiiiiird
StarHawk I hate monk's timeline story
  • Thierry react: Emote emeraldS
StarHawk It oofs my brain
Matehiqu Time Travel: it Oofs everyone's brain
StarHawk But monk's specifically hurts more
StarHawk Emote struggling
StarHawk Sorry @Thierry , I didn't mean it like that Emote emeraldS
Thierry lol
Thierry Ruxxtin 2 has scrying magic btw
VcMc :o
chemosha hello Thierry don't worry we love Monk
Thierry And even though everyone is so adamant to call him a dragon Manfred is the last sky serpent
Boo ...isn't that the fancy word for "dragon"?
VcMc ooo
VcMc no isnt serpent more like snake but its own thing?
Thierry Hey chemosa, no worries I'm just playing along. TBH telling a time travel multiverse story isn't not annoying at all times Emote emeraldCL
Matehiqu what's the difference between a sky serpent and a dragon?
Thierry The preconceptions I guess
Thierry The wings?
Thierry But mostly the possibilities
chemosha arms and legs
Boo Expand the possibilities of your mind
Boo Okay yeah, dragon but no arms or legs
Thierry Where's Kamme when we need :wannaGetDry:
Boo And just magically floating without wings
Thierry More on this later
StarHawk So, what do serpents do that dragons can't?
StarHawk oops im late
Boo The suspense!
Thierry I'm not sure StarHawk, it's more that lore, preconceptions and expectations wise sky serpent is more of a blank slate where dragons have a lot of rules and feelings attached to them
Thierry If that doesn't make sense I'm happy to chuck it on the "works for Thierry pile"
StarHawk Emote susesS
Thierry Which probably qualifies as a hill at this point
Later
StarHawk Now I'm wondering if dragons will show up in the messenger Emote ninjaponder Emote dragon
StarHawk If they are an established creature in that universe
Thierry No that was the point
Thierry Or attempt at a point
Stéphanie Didn't Shoppy say that dragons are invented by men to represent fear ?
Stéphanie Something around those lines
StarHawk Emote open mouth
Thierry Dragon carries meaning for most people already and it would be hard to rally everyone under one vibe/origin/vision for them
Thierry So we have sky serpents
Thierry Or had
Thierry Now we only have one
Stéphanie Oh yeah yeah I see
Stéphanie so you just want to be able to write your own rules about the species or smth like that
Stéphanie To avoid misconceptions and um
Stéphanie "Préjugés"
  • Thierry react: Emote arcanefingerupleft
Thierry Yes Stéphanie, that's the "real life" dragons for stories, unrelated to the archives we work with
Stéphanie Oh alright!
Later
Stéphanie Hm.. How about necromancers then ? Do they revive the dead and stuff ?
Later
Stéphanie I mean Ruxx wanted to rule the world with his army of undeads sure but like
Later
Thierry Ruxx wanted to impress the Demon King and get recruited to eventually serve The Fleshmancer
Papy WHAT
Papy WHOA
chemosha wow
StarHawk Emote eyes
Matehiqu OH
Spiderbenb My Theory senses were tingling correctly! Thierry be dropping mad bombshells in here!
Thierry Also it's just that a crypt os a gold mine of raw material for a necromancer
Thierry Ruxx has been binging you know
Thierry It's also a little wink at RA Salvatore's Cleric Quintet
Thierry Which great series btw

Takeaways Edit

  • Ruxxtin can use scrying magic.
  • Manfred is the last sky serpent.
  • It's more appropriate to call Manfred a "sky serpent" rather than a "dragon."
  • Dragons carry meaning to most people already, so sky serpents were chosen to avoid the preconceptions.
  • One of The Shopkeeper's cabinet rants touches upon the concept of dragons and a metaphorical relationship with conquering fears. However, this dragon talk is unrelated to the lore.
  • Ruxxtin wanted to raise an army of the dead in order to impress the Demon King and get recruited to eventually serve The Fleshmancer.
  • The Catacombs crypt is a gold mine of raw material for a necromancer such as Ruxxtin, and he binges on it.
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